Stone pelting a conspiracy by Pakistan and its agents in Kashmir

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Pakistan Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid attacked in London; PPP workers punch him, pelt him with eggs | Times Now | Aug 23 2019

The two claimed that they had assaulted the Pakistan minister as he had been using "abusive language" for PPP leader Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.

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We know our own terrain better than any Afghan merc, of course!, only a military guy would say that

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I've talked about IB's, and all of those players of Kashmir's moneyball before. The same is true of IB's games in Assam during ULFA's hey days. Hope things are changing under the Modi government. Dulat, his talks always stinked of double speak. Asshat.

Money being used to fight terrorism ends up lining the pockets of some and prolonging the fight longer so as to get more money ?

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So effectively there are 3 view points. The Governments, the militaries, and us common idiots. And the Governments PoV is what matters. I am at a pain to understand, diplomacy apart, why doesn't the GoI talk about PAs' past genocides? The LoC is on fire, that is the militaries part. We civilians are screaming, which is our part. What is the GoI doing to counter Pak propaganda? I see nothing. Optics are important too.

Above my pay-grade and frankly, a different pay scale, ie I'm Canadian and not Indian.

How do we crush the logistics network of Pakistani terrorists? They get their training from the PA, as also arms and funding. So how do India crush the logistics of those terrorists, inside India if not inside Pakistan, and starve them. I know we're going after their funding and sympathisers in Kashmir, what more can be done?

There's one way but you don't have the stomach for it. Have each one of your soldiers collect 300 heads each.

The simple fact is is that you're not going to get rid of the independence mind of the Kashmiris no matter how good you make their lives. The Basque don't see themselves as Spanish. The Quebecois doesn't want to be associated with English Canada. The Chechens don't want to be part of Russia. Tibet wants to leave China. And these things have been going on for 100s of years.

The best you can hope for is that you switch their mindset from the bullet to the ballot and that means giving them the consitutional right to leave India while doing your damdest to make sure that they don't want to lose their homes and jobs by leaving India. This means giving them something to lose by leaving India. When they have nothing to lose by leaving India, then they won't resort to the ballot but the bullet.

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How Pakistan's worst kept secret cheated people of PoK for 59 years

Interesting story. Way you get these people to want to join India is make the Indian side better off.

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Modi’s next move - Moeed Yusuf

FOR most in Pakistan, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s move of revoking held Kashmir’s special status in the Indian constitution came as a shock — even if his government’s manifesto categorically stated his intent to do so. Shocking? Hardly.

In fact, the move has laid to rest any pretence that Modi recognises the need to be a centrist prime minister and that his pandering to his right-wing RSS support base is only a way to keep them in good humour. Everything about his government’s demeanour over the past couple of weeks confirms the deep ideological conviction that underpins his actions.

Sadly, the popular rebuttal that India’s democracy is robust enough to keep the minorities from being jettisoned isn’t going to mean much now.

He is trying to make communal something that is not to begin with. Good luck with that. Where are the muslims protesting in the country ?

Most of all because Modi, perhaps more so than any of the new populist brand of leaders around the world, has perfected the art of tying big business interests with an exclusionary social and political agenda.

And how happy is big business with Modi right now ?

He clearly isn't pro market, he is selectively pro business. His regime has a statist feel about it that makes right wingers cringe. I sometimes wonder whether he is just a more efficient Congress Team B since he did not jettison any of their populist policies. The way into office for these so called right parties is to ape the populism of the left. This they have been doing in numerous countries to date with success.

His recent electoral campaign was a picture-perfect illustration: despite poor economic performance, he neutralised the Congress and others by sucking virtually all big business money into his campaign and combined this with an over-the-top national security discourse that targeted the Indian left, Pakistan, and everyone that stood against the Hindu-right’s vision.

The security play did have a role but i think the larger role is the efficient delivery of services as promised to the people concerned. Toilets, electrification & gas cylinders. His new plank is water for this term. That is going to have a huge impact for people that have water scarcity problems.

Congress is resilient at the state & local level given their results in state elections and they only lost Gujarat narrowly. Imagine if they won then what a jolt that would have given the PM. Congress are down not out at the national level as they could come back if they retain their local level support. Who else are people going to vote for once they get tired of Modi.

If this 370 decision ends up in a worse state than earlier. If the economy gets worse than when he entered. It means he is gone and Shah with him.

Fast forward a couple of months to his Kashmir move. So aggressive was the manner in which it was executed that even the most sympathetic world capitals and media outlets had to speak up. But as the minorities shuddered, Corporate India watched millions of Indians come out in Modi’s support. If you are a strongman on a mission to redefine the social fabric of your society, the urge would be to do more.

The choice was inconvenience or loss of life. Pick one.

Moeed is better at explaining Pakistan than India.

India’s direction leaves Pakistan with a dilemma. First, because the situation will get uglier. From everything I have studied about the new generation of Kashmiri Muslims, they aren’t going to take it lying down. But India is also unlikely to hold back in unleashing its power to prevent any popular uprising. As news and evidence of excesses trickle out, the Pakistani government will feel the heat from within the country to do something. The political opposition is going to be all over the government if there is even a hint of pragmatism in its posturing. Right-wing forces will use the polarisation to make things more toxic. The push for the government would be to cover its bases by banking on jingoism.

This explains why they come across unhinged and agressive. Domestic ie internal pressure is mounting to "do something". This explains the calls to war and incitement by PM, President, army & former diplomats.

India will pounce, distracting attention from the internal Kashmir dynamic to the Pakistani right’s toxicity. The terrorism lingo will be at the fore of Delhi’s rhetoric. FATF, IMF, and others will be asked to take note.

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Second, there is a real risk of a major Pakistan-India crisis in the current situation. The LoC is already radioactive. If the Kashmir unrest gets out of control, or if there are attacks, India is going to blame Pakistan. Given how Modi spun Pulwama to convince his support base that his military actions had worked and that he’d go further to harm Pakistan, he will feel the pressure to act. Similar pressure, built up courtesy of his claims of conducting surgical strikes against Pakistan after Uri, led him to launch air strikes during Pulwama. The end result was that the Pulwama crisis escalated beyond what Uri did.

Possible so the Paks better make double sure they alert us beforehand if they don't want a nasty surprise. This will preserve the peace.

Third, and most important, what we are witnessing isn’t about the Kashmir issue only. Whatever one may say to critique what has happened there, you can’t blame Modi and co for hiding where they want it all to end up. Nor have they done so about where they’ll go next. For instance, a temple will be built on the site of the Babri mosque regardless of the consequences. And much more thereafter.

Ram temple over a site the Hindus consider religious vs a mosque that isn't considered a religious site but merely a place to assemble and pray. An alternative site will be provided and mosque built.

This more thereafter leaves things hanging. Varanasi & Mathura. Both religious sites for hindus.

As this transpires, Pakistan will face an existential question about its position on the Muslims across the border.

Is standing up for them and presenting this as a right based on our official interpretation of the two-nation theory going to remain part of the policy ethos?

Or are we prepared to consider it India’s matter?

Very interesting question. Let it go. Just like in '71.

The issue strikes at the heart of the identity question we have been debating in this country for as long as it’s been around.

How this is handled in the current context will have direct implications for our already polarised debate

- on identity,

- the raison d’être of the state’s security institutions, and

- for how the Indian Muslims — many of whom are directly impacted by the state of India-Pakistan relations and Pakistan’s stance on their plight — will see Pakistan’s role in the treatment New Delhi metes out to them.

The issue will have to be handled extremely delicately.

If they are so concerned about the state of India's muslims then how about making peace with India. End the terrorism. Settle border issues and make it final. Then work on building relations for a lasting peace.

Surprise the Steve Cohens, Christine Fairs and all the other cynics who think the two are in for an eternal battle. Shock them!

Then both PM's can go collect Nobel peace prize.

For someone who has long advocated a reorientation of Pakistan’s relationship with India in the positive direction, Modi’s actions have been a shut-up call for me. Depressing times these are — and things are sure to get worse as Modi persists in targeting minorities, and destroying India’s social fabric in the process.

Resignation. He has nothing more to say ?

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Demos planned in NY during Modi’s visit

That's all ya'll can do. Pussy cat. Lol.

If they don't cobble together at least ten thousand i will take it as an insult !!

Prime Minster Imran Khan decided on Wednesday that the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) would organise massive protests in New York during Indian premier Narendra Modi’s coming visit to United States to give him a global backlash over his government’s unlawful decision to strip Occupied Jammu of autonomy and tyranny of Indian armed forces on innocent Kashmiris.

Let's see what massive means for Imran

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So a bunch of fat people counts as well. Hmm...

That could happen. If they're from up state or out of state. Ass widths do get larger the further you go from Manhattan

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There's one way but you don't have the stomach for it. Have each one of your soldiers collect 300 heads each.

The simple fact is is that you're not going to get rid of the independence mind of the Kashmiris no matter how good you make their lives. The Basque don't see themselves as Spanish. The Quebecois doesn't want to be associated with English Canada. The Chechens don't want to be part of Russia. Tibet wants to leave China. And these things have been going on for 100s of years.

This is generalisation. For every Kashmiri wanting freedom, 3 want to stay with India. For they know how Kashmiris are treated across the border in PoK and G-B. Our security forces kill those Pakistani terrorists exactly because intel comes from those Kashmiris loyal to India. An independent Kashmir is a myth and every single Kashmiri knows that, because Pak+China combine will gobble it up. If all Kashmiris want freedom why are Kashmiris lining up to join the state police, security forces, army? How many native Kashmiris pick up guns on our side of the border? Sir, as of today, Kashmiris from PoK who have migrated to countries such as the US, UK etc are speaking up against the PA. Videos are on youtube.

Going by what our PM does out of the blue, 10 heads are on the cards in the near future. We're taking 5 heads on the LoC as of now. 300 is a bit much, considering our economy, but that's not impossible. Your ally, US, will help us achieve that. In the meanwhile, what I think is best is to firebomb the PA on the LoC/IB, and wait for their economy to sink even further.

Tibet is never going to be liberated, unless the CPC falls. On the same note, Kashmir stays with us unless India falls. If PA doesn't mend its ways, they will lose PoK, one border post at a time. Tibet and Kashmir's strategic importance makes it all the more important for these part of lands to hold onto by respective countries.

The best you can hope for is that you switch their mindset from the bullet to the ballot and that means giving them the consitutional right to leave India while doing your damdest to make sure that they don't want to lose their homes and jobs by leaving India. This means giving them something to lose by leaving India. When they have nothing to lose by leaving India, then they won't resort to the ballot but the bullet.

This is WIP. India just abrogated Article 370 & 35A. Let development takes place. I'd assume another 10 years for the fringe Kashmiris to accept that it is better to study and get a job in India, then pick up a gun and do jihad on PA's bidding. But if that fails, sorry, the land is far too important. We've already had a British imagined, created and planned partition between Hindu and Muslims lines. That 2 nation theory failed in 1971. Not again. Kashmiris in India have enough freedom to migrate to Pakistan or anywhere else they want, the land stays with India.

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Money being used to fight terrorism ends up lining the pockets of some and prolonging the fight longer so as to get more money ?

Unaccounted money in this case, yes. Been for decades. Which is why I've said before we need fresh thinking in IB and R&AW. Those should not only be filled with IPS cadres. Talent is in universities of repute, hire them, groom them.

Interesting story. Way you get these people to want to join India is make the Indian side better off.

That's now a possibility with scrapping of those hideous articles. Voices in PoK is stifled. People get kidnapped, never to return. These people, many of who could, have long migrated to the West.

Listen to this guy from PoK.


Listen to his other videos too if you have the time.

ISI-funded Kashmir Centre reincarnates from a PO box in Brussels, this is what he talked about in his video.

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Shit, Pakistan Army raped kids in FATA/Waziristan during their farcical offensive. This is gross on a sub-human level.

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Even Maldives said it's India's internal matter when Qureshi phoned his counterpart in Maldives.

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Every time i see a tweet like this, i get the impression we will be attacked soon : (