So the question is, is President Pence less scary now?
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostSo the question is, is President Pence less scary now?“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostPresident Pence has one overriding advantage over Trump: A nodding acquaintance with reality.
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostThat is true however I have one major problem with him. He calls himself a Christian. In my life those that called themselves Christian have always been far from it. Two, a true Christian doesn't have to even say it for people to realize it.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostI too have a major problem with Pence's pious claims of being a Christian when he obsequiously worships a moral cesspool like Trump
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With much anticipation, here is the redacted version of the Mueller report. I've skimmed over some of the first half but have yet to read the report in its entirety---but first impressions leave me with more questions than answers.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdfLast edited by Red Team; 18 Apr 19,, 17:09."Draft beer, not people."
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Originally posted by Red Team View PostWith much anticipation, here is the redacted version of the Mueller report. I've skimmed over some of the first half but have yet to read the report in its entirety---but first impressions leave me with more questions than answers.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf- The Trump Family and Organization were already in bed commercially with Russia prior to the election
- The Trump Campaign was more than ready to jump further into bed with Russia and did so on multiple occasions to affect the election aka collusion
- Collusion is not a crime, so no indictments could be recommended by Mueller
- Trump was shitting his pants at the thought of a special investigation (Why is that Mr. President? Something to hide?)
- Trump tried his damnedest to quash the investigation (Again, why?)
- He failed because some of the people around him either had more integrity than him (which isn't saying much) or they simply didn't want to go to prison
- Congress can still go after Trump for obstruction
- Trump and the Trump Organization still have half a dozen (or more) investigations hunting them down like crippled gazelles.
In other words, everything we already knew yesterday.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Have read through page 25 already. Will take awhile. Have a ways to go. So far I see:
Russia did hack and did try to influence the election starting in March 2016. Trump playing ignorant of that to assist him still.
Mueller didn't find enough evidence to support criminal conspiracy. Doesn't mean there might have been had he access to documents eliminated, people outside the US interviewed, and Trump interviewed. So not a ringing endorsement on no conspiracy. Collusion is an incorrect term.
Mueller doing his job as investigator and not a Federal prosecutor. He collects all the information he can possibly collect and then sends it on to the AG to decide if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges for judge and jury. Question then becomes do we have an AG in the mold of Richardson and deputy AG Ruckelshaus or one in the mold of AG Mitchell or Solicitor Bork although Bork was going to resign after firing Richardson.
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostSo not a ringing endorsement on no conspiracy.
Chimo
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plus there's no need to get Trump himself to assent to things when it was clear to all that his campaign was so loosely organized that any moron like Papadopoulos would eagerly start wagging his tail to get Russian-originated dirt.
and I note the report mentions, yet again, Russian official sanction to not just hit Clinton but to actively support Trump.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by astralis View PostI note the report mentions, yet again, Russian official sanction to not just hit Clinton but to actively support Trump.Chimo
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It galls me to think that people believe a few 30 word twits can affect an election ... and someone is stupid enough to put serious monies into this operation.
this is 21st century psy-ops/political warfare, and if anything it's more effective than the 20th century version, because of social media's echo chamber. people believe what they WANT to believe.
Trump played Twitter -perfectly- to bypass all the old media fact-checkers, etc.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by astralis View Postthis is 21st century psy-ops/political warfare, and if anything it's more effective than the 20th century version, because of social media's echo chamber. people believe what they WANT to believe.
Originally posted by astralis View PostTrump played Twitter -perfectly- to bypass all the old media fact-checkers, etc.Chimo
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But these are not the undecided voters. Any new propaganda/twits/memes ain't going to change their minds.
and the people who made up their minds at the last minute leaned heavily towards Trump.
Precisely, the undecided will do their own fact checking which made this whole operation an expensive mess. It
in any case, we're talking about the efficacy of the Russian info campaign. that shouldn't really be the main issue.
bottom-line is that a hostile power interfered with the US election. the Republican Senate Majority leader flatly denied a WH request for a strong bipartisan statement against this during the election. the Republican candidate was aware of his campaign's on-going connections with the Russians and publicly welcomes further interference even if there was no actual coordination.
having won the election, the new President then seeks to personally tamp down the investigation, to include trying to get his staff to openly lie to the public about the extent of his own personal involvement. which involves stuff like firing the FBI director on false grounds, pressuring his own Attorney General to resign, and ordering his WH lawyer to fire the Special Counsel...and then trying to get said lawyer to deny he ever made that order.
and the only reason why we know the details of the Mueller Report is because the Dems won the House in 2018.Last edited by astralis; 19 Apr 19,, 14:48.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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