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  • OV-10 Bronco back in the saddle

    When the last time one saw these in actual military use?


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    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politi...sis/index.html

    (CNN)A pair of nearly 50-year-old planes has been brought out of retirement to fight ISIS.

    The Vietnam-era OV-10 Bronco turbo-propeller planes are part of an experiment to see if "light turbo-prop aircraft" are more effective in conducting counterinsurgency operations, a U.S. military representative told CNN this week.
    During their deployment, the planes flew 120 combat missions against ISIS targets as part of the counter-ISIS coalition, said spokesman Capt. Bryant Davis of U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East.
    The Daily Beast first reported on the aircraft trials.
    The OV-10s were operated by a two-person crew that consisted of a naval aviator and a Navy flight officer, according to the military.
    The experiment aims to determine whether slower planes like the Bronco can better support ground troops battling insurgents than more technologically advanced and expensive counterparts such as the F-15 Eagle and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets.
    The idea is that older aircraft can more cost-effectively fly close air support missions to help U.S. ground troops and pilots better see and attack low-tech insurgents.
    Retired naval aviator Cmdr. Chris Harmer praised the aircraft's reactivation, telling CNN it was "an excellent idea."
    Harmer, now the senior naval analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, called the OV-10 a "great plane to fly" and said it was likely that U.S. pilots fought over who got the chance to fly it in combat.
    Harmer told CNN that the planes were a much more cost-effective alternative than jets like the F-15 or F-35, the latter of which is estimated to cost more than $150 million each.

  • #2
    The Bronco was actually on the table a while ago as a "cheap" COIN aircraft; it was going up against the usual suspects (the A-29 Super Tucano, the Beechcraft T-6 "Texan II", and the US Aircraft A-67 "Dragon"). Boeing proposed a version called the OV-10X; it's very impressive on paper, but is also more expensive than the other, single-engine aircraft.
    "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
      When the last time one saw these in actual military use?
      The Marine Corps used them in Desert Storm.

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      • #4
        Last combat use was probably by the Philippines around 2012.

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        • #5
          Didn't think anyone was still using them

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          • #6
            Looks to me as a temporary measure to fill in the gap between the A-10 going away and a new drone that has better cameras.
            Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Stitch View Post
              The Bronco was actually on the table a while ago as a "cheap" COIN aircraft; it was going up against the usual suspects (the A-29 Super Tucano, the Beechcraft T-6 "Texan II", and the US Aircraft A-67 "Dragon"). Boeing proposed a version called the OV-10X; it's very impressive on paper, but is also more expensive than the other, single-engine aircraft.
              Looks like they might again be moving toward buying a light ground attack / COIN aircraft.

              USAF seeks two new close-air support aircraft

              24 JULY, 2016 | BY: LEIGH GIANGRECO | WASHINGTON DC
              Flight Global

              The US Air Force is considering two new procurements to boost their close air support mission, including an off-the-shelf option for permissive environments and a cheap, clean sheet design aircraft that would replace the Fairchild Republic A-10.

              In a recent briefing, air force officials laid out their plan for the light-attack OA-X and the A-X2, a short-term replacement for the A-10. The service is looking at an initial order of about 20 aircraft for the OA-X mission a early as next year, with serious procurement launching in Fiscal 2018, Dan Goure, an analyst at the Lexington Institute, tells FlightGlobal. To meet that rapid need, the service is examining two fully developed aircraft, Beechcraft’s AT-6 and Embraer’s A-29 Super Tucano, and are planning a “fly off” for this fall.

              The air force has excluded Textron AirLand’s Scorpion, a dual light attack fighter and trainer aircraft still in its development phase, as an option for OA-X.

              “They want them out the door as fast as possible,” Goure said. “They’ve got reasonable data on the cost of sustainment for A-29 and even AT-6, my understanding is they don’t have that kind of data when it comes to Scorpion.”

              With the revelation of the two possible acquisitions, the USAF also quashed discussions of using the T-X trainer to fulfill a close air support role, according to Lexington Institute chief operating officer Loren Thompson. The service does not want to see the trainer program diluted to support other missions, he says.

              “They clearly intend to buy these two planes in addition to the trainer,” he adds.

              Rather than create an expensive platform to operate in an anti-access area denial environment, OA-X would fly a counter-terrorism mission in areas such as Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan. The service is looking for a medium-altitude aircraft with some level of precision strike capability, such as the BAE Systems Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System laser-guided rocket, Goure said.

              The US Air Force is already delivering Super Tucanos, which are equipped with internal 50-cal guns and 250lb laser-guided bombs, for the Afghan Air Force.

              The OA-X concept is not far off from an older USAF light-attack, reconnaissance aircraft, the OV-10 Bronco, which flew counter-insurgency missions in Vietnam. But whether an airspace exists today that is neither fully permissive nor requires a complex, 4th-generation aircraft is a question that still perplexes Goure.

              “They weren’t clear on what that slice was,” Goure said. “Maybe it’s not counter-terrorism but it’s not fully integrated air defense. That’s a real question of where does it fit in terms of an operating concept.”

              With AX-2, the air force is aiming for a faster, cheaper acquisition approach that could field an aircraft within five years, he said. The aircraft would be designed for a 20-year lifetime and would forego long-term costs such as a service-life extension programme.

              But New Hampshire Sen Kelly Ayotte, a Republican serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee, has expressed skepticism over whether the A-10 replacement could be fielded in time for the legacy aircraft’s divestment. Although Ayotte does not hold an A-10 base in her state, she has pushed against the aircraft’s retirement alongside Republican Sen John McCain of Arizona, who chairs the committee.

              “The Air Force should not expect support in Congress for the divestment of the A-10 until a replacement reaches full operational capability and the Air Force proves that the new aircraft can provide our soldiers, special operators, and [Joint Terminal Attack Controllers] equally effective close air support,” Ayotte’s office said in a 22 July email to FlightGlobal. “I will not support the premature divestment of the A-10 that will create a close air support capability gap and put the lives of our troops in additional danger.”
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              • #8
                Originally posted by JRT View Post
                Looks like they might again be moving toward buying a light ground attack / COIN aircraft.
                there are over 60 of these aircraft already in service across US agencies. they are typically paired up, one as CAP/spotter and the other as the shooter

                not unexpected at all to see something more concrete getting triggered as its been self evident that these aircraft work in the jobs intended

                this isn't being driven by any A-10 discussions either
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                • #9
                  The T-6 and A-29 seem like a bit of an odd pair to compete with each other considering that the T-6 is half the size of the Super Tucano. It honestly seems like the Super Tucano is an easy choice. It is built for the COIN/Light Attack mission and has the avionics, plumbing, and weapons integration already completed.

                  The only thing I see going for the T-6 is that it is made in the US, (of course Embraer has factories here too) but that doesn't seem like a huge concern in the case of a turboprop. The fact that it's Max Takeoff Weight is less than an empty A-29 doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the ability to fit all the hardware the USAF wants without either making it a pig or requiring extensive redesign.
                  Last edited by SteveDaPirate; 15 Aug 16,, 14:36.

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                  • #10
                    Cal Fire uses 13 of them to fight fire. http://fireaviation.com/tag/ov-10/

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