Israel selling Merkavas?

[gf0012-aust]

Yep. Just makes no sense apart from my 'because we can' theory. Doesn't mean it won't happen. If Singapore made sense it wouldn't exist.

just read some editorials in some Malay pubs - as i alluded to in the other thread - the muslim side of the debate is not reacting well....

Yeah, but everyone finds out quick enough. Its that weird game where they pretend not to have something in order not to get into a public spat with a neighbour who knows precisely what is going on.

we do the same though - we expose the unclass versions of our white paper on defence to our neighbours before our own media so that they don't get surprised and excited

[Bigfella]

just read some editorials in some Malay pubs - as i alluded to in the other thread - the muslim side of the debate is not reacting well....

They never do. major inferiority complex north of the causeway. Just more fuel.

we do the same though - we expose the unclass versions of our white paper on defence to our neighbours before our own media so that they don't get surprised and excited

Sure, but we don't pretend we haven't got the stuff once we get it. Quite the opposite.

[gf0012-aust]

Sure, but we don't pretend we haven't got the stuff once we get it. Quite the opposite.

I worked on a project where we made 28 x 10 tonne IFV's for a middle eastern partner and shipped them out as "police cars" because we didn't want australia to be seen as a weapons exporter...

20 tonnes, .50 cal and german rolled HA as skin - yep, a real "police car"

we can be just as daft :)

[chanjyj]

every bit of considered analysis screams that it's not a coherent thing to do.

heaven knows whats going on. the sings don't even talk about how many other tanks they've had in the past

As I alluded to in my PM, there are areas where I see it fitting in, though not in this quantity.

[citanon]

I worked on a project where we made 28 x 10 tonne IFV's for a middle eastern partner and shipped them out as "police cars" because we didn't want australia to be seen as a weapons exporter...

20 tonnes, .50 cal and german rolled HA as skin - yep, a real "police car"

we can be just as daft :)

You should see all the hardware rolling into US police departments these days:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...ents.html?_r=0

[citanon]

I went on Google to take a look at those Leo 2s in Singapore Army colors. On the first page I found this:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/gro...tml#post750773

[zraver]

apart from not fitting into their doctrine it would screw up their logistics - and thats one of the things that the SDF does very well. Makes no sense when they could get ex very capable Euro Leo 2's and preserve their logistical train. They'd still have an MBT edge over all their asian neighbours

Merkava uses an American licensed version of a German gun and a German power pack and transmission. Logistically anyone using Leo 2's could run the Merkava with little interruption.

[gf0012-aust]

Merkava uses an American licensed version of a German gun and a German power pack and transmission. Logistically anyone using Leo 2's could run the Merkava with little interruption.

Its about how the Israelis use their armour and assoc support formations

[gf0012-aust]

I went on Google to take a look at those Leo 2s in Singapore Army colors. On the first page I found this:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/gro...tml#post750773

there was a period when SingGov denied having tanks - despite every man and his hound knowing that they existed

[gf0012-aust]

You should see all the hardware rolling into US police departments these days:

in my case it was 1997 - so different atmosphere and climate

weapons exports were bad ju-ju

[Doktor]

You should see all the hardware rolling into US police departments these days:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...ents.html?_r=0

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Those shoes look oversized for that man. Just like the equipment for his task.

[Stitch]

Everything about Singapore's military is overkill. Did I mention there being too many fighters to base them all at home? Sure I did. This is another 'because we can' purchase.

Aren't they the ones that just bought a bunch of brand-new F-15SG's, in addition to the 24 they already own?

[zraver]

Its about how the Israelis use their armour and assoc support formations

You said logistics.... For anyone used to the Leo 2, switching the Merkava isn't nearly as difficult as going from say the Leo 1 to the Leo 2. The Merkava 4 and Leo2A4+ use the same engine. The merk uses the GD883 which is a license built version of the Europack 883. They use the same gun, fire the same ammunition, use similar transmissions and final drives, burn the same fuel have the same crew size and crew training requirements. The difference are real, especially in fire control but overall the two are very similar and a crew familiar with the Leo 2 could transition to the Merk 4 with less training than a crew going from Leo 1 to Leo 2.

[Stitch]

Merkava uses an American licensed version of a German gun . . .

I'm assuming you're talking about the M256?

[gf0012-aust]

You said logistics....

and I'm not going to go around in circles....

the formations and deployment doctrine for merkavas as used by the israelis is different from how the Sings have established the Leos. There is a logistics element in the structure and support of that formation.

logistics is fundamental to any force and platform structure