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Originally posted by bigross86
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2) The two Palestinian teens were not killed by the IDF. IDF forces in the area did not shoot live ammunition that day, and footage of IDF forces on CNN (not fans of Israel) clearly show that they were firing rubber bullets.
Moreover, viewing the footage of the teens falling after being "shot" shows that they put out their hands to block their fall, as if the fall was planned.
The fact that the teens are evacuated within seconds is also telling, as is the fact that there is very little blood, if at all, which is not what usually happens when one gets gut shot with a 5.56mm M-16 round. Finally, the bullet which supposedly killed the first boy looks like it was pulled directly from the casing and presented as evidence. There is no distortion of the bullet, no signs of firing, no signs that it passed through someone's body and then was finally stopped in some books in the boy's knapsack.
2nd, FMJ's don't always distort, specially if it was provided from US stocks designed to defeat body armor
3rd CCTV may not show the blood
The case is very similar to the case of Muhammad Al-Dura, who was killed by Palestinian gunfire, but is still remembered, even today, as an IDF casualty, even though from every single examination of the events, there was physically no way in the world IDF bullets could have hit the boy. But for an Israel hater such as yourself, facts are free but comment is sacred. If you're going to argue, argue the facts, not the rhetoric.
3) Yet another difference between the two cases is that in the first case, the two teens were actively engaged in rioting against IDF soldiers,
while in this heinous murder, the boy was walking on the streets of Jerusalem and was kidnapped and brutally murdered by Israeli citizens. There is a world of difference between the two cases.
When you add in the public outcry from both sides of the political spectrum over Abu Khdeir's murder, plus the fact that of the six arrested for the murder, at least three have already admitted and replicated the murder for the police, your assertion that they won't be prosecuted or will see jail time is either utter stupidity, or you believe that Israel is one of the most corrupt states there is, regardless of the fact that Israel has tried a former President and a former Prime Minister, proving that no matter how high your rank, station or position was, no one is above the law.
Now, would you like to get on to debating the facts, such as the fact that in the past 24 somewhere in the vicinity of 150 rockets were launched at Israel?
Such as the fact that children the age of your son have had their summer camps cancelled because of the rocket attack?
That children the age of your son aren't even allowed to go to the playground, because they have exactly 15 seconds to get to safety? How about the fact that my wife and I have less than 60 seconds to find shelter if a missile gets lobbed in our direction?
Would you like to argue those facts, or would you like to continue talking about unrelated things, as if they actually make a difference or somehow excuse Hamas' actions?
Hey Zraver, lemme ask you a question: Would you let Alex grow up in a situation like this?
Did you forget that Alex and I just had to ride out an EF-4 tornado that passed within a 1.5 miles of my apartment? It was on the ground for 44 miles and was 3/4 mile wide Killed 16 people, injured 150 and destroyed 800 structures. I spent 20 hours doing rescue work. In fact since 2001 when the rocket attacks began, more Arkansans which roughly the same size in population as Israel have died from tornadoes than Israelis killed by rockets. Nationwide, I've responded to tornadoes since 2011 that have killed more than 3x as many people as the rocket attacks and destroyed 100x more structures. Arkansas is also known as the land of nocturnal naders because of the way the weather systems move, so we usually don't even get a chance for a visual, plus almost all of ours are HP tornadoes totally masked by rain. This isn't the first time you've mistakenly thought you are the only one who has to live with death from above. Arkansas isn't even the worst place for it (we tie for 3rd). Rural states means little chance of an effective siren system and if you don't have a radio or TV on (ie sleeping) you wake up dead.
Seriously dude I'm the wrong person to try that line with. Not only am I familiar with the lump in the throat when the phone starts beeping and the sirens sound but when it sounds for me it means its not generalized but that I am inside the warning polygon of just a couple miles.
This is in Sderot, not in any of the "settlements" or "conquered" or "occupied" territories. Would you still have a problem every time the IDF attacked into Gaza to protect your child? Would you still pragmatically sit there in front of your computer going on and on about how horrible Israel is?
There are approximately 1 million people in Israel under missile threat from Gaza at any given time, myself included. How would you feel living your life in Faulkner County if folks in Little Rock decided that they wanted you dead and would stop at nothing until that succeeded?
There are approximately 1 million people in Israel under missile threat from Gaza at any given time, myself included. How would you feel living your life in Faulkner County if folks in Little Rock decided that they wanted you dead and would stop at nothing until that succeeded?
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