Japan, U.S. at Odds Over China's Air Zone

[winton]

I am more than aware of the acoustic efficiencies of the Kilos.

Point taken. Is the Kilo unable to sneak up on a carrier as Lee Kuan Yew alludes otherwise?

[gf0012-aust]

Point taken. Is the Kilo unable to sneak up on a carrier as Lee Kuan Yew alludes otherwise?

its about the driver - then its about the sub
and all of these "sneak ups" are about context.

I am more than aware of what Singapores subs are able to do outside of newspaper rev ups
I am more than aware of a Kilos acoustic sig mapping

You do realise that Australian companies were involved in modding the Sg subs?

[xinhui]

from Janes Defense Weekly:

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) recently received 15 Xian H-6K bombers with nuclear capabilities, according to Jane’s Defence Weekly.

The H-6K, an updated version of the H-6 bomber (originally, a locally built version of the 1960s vintage Russian Tupolev Tu-16 bomber), is a medium-sized craft designed for long-range attacks, stand-off attacks and large-area air patrol. Unlike its predecessor, the H-6K can carry cruise missiles under its wings. The H6-K also maneuvers more deftly than the H-6 and requires a smaller crew to operate. H-6K reportedly has a combat radius of 3,500 km. It can carry weapons in the internal weapon bay and on four underwing pylons. The nuclear-capable Changjian-10 (long sword) CJ-10A cruise missiles it carries have a range of 1,500-2,000 km, effectively extending the bomber’s combat range to 4,000-5,000 km – long enough to reach Okinawa, Guam and even Hawaii from China’s mainland.

Andy would have some more relevant data if he's lurking....

Here are more tip-bits:

Those H-6K "god of war" (small g here), are all new birds from Xian, powered by a pair of Saturn D-30KP-2 turbofan, modern avionics and as well SATNAV/SATCOMM antennas.
First regt (12 birds) commissioned with the 8th PLAAF bomber division, 2nd regt (12 birds) commissioned with the 10th PLAAF bomber division in early 2013

Photos are all from the 10th bomber.

[Enzo Ferrari]

Reminding me this:

Mitsubishi G4M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The famous "The One-shot Lighter".

[xinhui]

You don't know what you are talking about, so shut up. This one-liner cheap-shot won't get you far here at WAB.

[gf0012-aust]

Here are more tip-bits:

Those H-6K "god of war" (small g here), are all new birds from Xian, powered by a pair of Saturn D-30KP-2 turbofan, modern avionics and as well SATNAV/SATCOMM antennas.
First regt (12 birds) commissioned with the 8th PLAAF bomber division, 2nd regt (12 birds) commissioned with the 10th PLAAF bomber division in early 2013

Photos are all from the 10th bomber.

the mainland chinese never cease to amaze me with their "waste not want not" philosophy...

[xinhui]

gf,

More than one professional PLA watchers have commented recently that the Chinese military might not up to the task for everything it is asked to do (Dispute with Japan, South China Sea, Taiwan, DPRK, etc). Like anyone else they have to prioritize their budget, off the head-line news units have to make-do what with what they've got. They are far from being the alpha dog and the boots know that.

[gf0012-aust]

gf,

More than one professional PLA watchers have commented recently that the Chinese military might not up to the task for everything it is asked to do (Dispute with Japan, South China Sea, Taiwan, DPRK, etc). Like anyone else they have to prioritize their budget, off the head-line news units have to make-do what with what they've got. They are far from being the alpha dog and the boots know that.

Well, you'd know my views on the Liaoning from our DrC interactions. Everything that Jim and I have said about Liaoning for the last 7 years has been shown to be 100% accurate. Unfort for the current china strong fan club they think that they have a battle ready carrier, the reality is that this ship still has a few years of sea trials left to go before she's ready for a proper war. By using her early as part of an operation (aka an operational trial) China has flagged early intent - and that's woken up all the neighbours earlier.

As you know, there are a whole pile of other things that need to be in place before that vessel is fit for combat purpose. the "build fast" philosphy has its limits. esp when you compare recent chinese builds against japanese, sth korean and singaporean military weapons build quality control.

the other thing is that combat is not about a single platform - something that gets comprehensively lost with fanboi/herd mentality. Its not about the carrier - it's about the battlegroup - and so on and so on.... the same tech issue applies to ships, planes, trains, automobiles.... (apols to Steve Martin and John Candy)

if its not part of the system - its a liability

[YellowFever]

Is there any impartial (or at least, by someone knowledgable) open source material I can read up on the Liaoning?

Not much information on the net about it other than the usual fanboy articles.

Thanks

[Doktor]

You mean all summed up in one spot?

That would be nice, but I have some doubts such thing exists.

[YellowFever]

Well, no, I meant somewhere where knowledgable people talk about it in a forum or such without smart asses like me or trolls getting involved (such as Defence talk).

Or failing that, some published articles by Naval personnel or defense specialists.

[gf0012-aust]

Well, no, I meant somewhere where knowledgable people talk about it in a forum or such without smart asses like me or trolls getting involved (such as Defence talk).

Or failing that, some published articles by Naval personnel or defense specialists.

There's no reason why you can't ask people on here - there's enough DefProfs and Sino experts on here who can answer where approp

Troll management is a Mod issue, if it goes haywire then it will get dealt with.

People like Andy etc are referenced by other sites, fora, closed email discussion groups, so you don't need to go hunting necessarily

[Doktor]

I don't know if it is just modesty or some personal revenge on Andy

Following your posts (not only here) you seem perfectly capable to answer YF.

[gf0012-aust]

I don't know if it is just modesty or some personal revenge on Andy

Following your posts (not only here) you seem perfectly capable to answer YF.

Nah mate, you have to know your limits, and Andy is in a whole lot better placed if not informed to answer some questions

yin and yang :)

[ace16807]

gf,

More than one professional PLA watchers have commented recently that the Chinese military might not up to the task for everything it is asked to do (Dispute with Japan, South China Sea, Taiwan, DPRK, etc). Like anyone else they have to prioritize their budget, off the head-line news units have to make-do what with what they've got. They are far from being the alpha dog and the boots know that.

I'm less familiar with the other services, but the fact that the majority of Naval Aviation is still Chinese 2nd Generation aircraft with only a handful of 3rd generation (4th Air Division under ESF being the main one, SSF has some J-11s as well) is pretty indicative of this as well. Reporting keeps recycling the same units while others remain far beyond the limelight.