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  • Shun US and Japan, Chinese Colonel warns Australia

    BEIJING: A Chinese military officer has raised the spectre of nuclear weapons and warned Australia not to side with the United States and Japan as a territorial dispute in the East China Sea continues to escalate.

    Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu, of the National Defence University, blamed America’s ‘‘orchestration’’ and Japan’s ‘‘militarism’’ for rising tensions over disputed islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China.

    Colonel Liu Mingfu asked that his views be conveyed directly to Julia Gillard.
    ‘‘America is the global tiger and Japan is Asia’s wolf and both are now madly biting China,’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘Of all the animals, Chinese people hate the wolf the most.’’

    China was a peaceful nation but it would fight to the death if seriously attacked, he said.

    Both sides and the US have in recent days traded strident warnings over alleged territorial incursions, while holding out hopes of a diplomatic breakthrough. Diplomats privately warn of a growing risk of accident or miscalculation.

    Asked about the People’s Liberation Army fighting capability, Colonel Liu referred to the PLA department that houses China’s strategic missile and nuclear arsenal. He raised a hypothetical scenario that he said would justify a nuclear attack, while clarifying that he was not calling upon China to take such measures.

    ‘‘If this Japanese wolf again attacks America’s Pearl Harbour or Australia’s Darwin, how do you know it wouldn’t receive another nuclear bomb?’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘The world would hail if Japan receives such a blow.

    ‘‘I don’t want to mention China here, as it is sensitive,’’ he added.

    Colonel Liu is one of a group of outspoken hawkish PLA officers who do not claim to speak on behalf of the leadership but are given licence to speak stridently on some issues at certain times.

    Foreign diplomats say they can serve to provide unofficial warnings, test foreign reactions and rally nationalistic support for the Communist Party or sections of it.

    They can also complicate China’s diplomatic objectives and place leaders under pressure to demonstrate their nationalistic credentials.

    Colonel Liu directly warned Australia not to follow the US or Japan into any military conflict with China. He said Australia should play the role of a ‘‘kind-hearted lamb’’ and China would discourage it from being led astray.

    ‘‘Australia should never play the jackal for the tiger or dance with the wolf,’’ he said.
    Colonel Liu asked that his message be conveyed directly to the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, as she prepares to deliver a major speech on national security.
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    Interesting that they allow this Colonel to speak so freely.

    What is the reaction in Australia to this?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Loke View Post
    What is the reaction in Australia to this?
    "Yeah sure Colonel, we'll get right on that one"
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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    • #3
      Our reaction would be, need to sort out our cricket team and plan out the activities for the Australia Day holiday weekend.

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      • #4
        Look up 'counter-productive' and there'll be a picture of this dumb@ss.
        The more I think about it, ol' Billy was right.
        Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight.
        - The Eagles

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Loke View Post
          Read more: Shun US and Japan, Chinese colonel warns Australia

          Interesting that they allow this Colonel to speak so freely.

          What is the reaction in Australia to this?
          It was the biggest story in Australia for days. When one Chinese colonel talks all Australia listens. News programs dumped their regualr schedules to devote their entore bulletins to the comments. Everbody was talking about it. I mean everbody. The guy who delivers our mail to work, couriers, people in the street, those guys panhandling for change in the city, even the local heroin dealers & users stopped me to discuss the issue. We actually stopped work for an entire morning so the bosses could address us all in a simultaneous teleconference with our Sydney office. The Q&A afteward went for hours. I'm expecting a statement from the PM at any moment. Can't remember that last time something this big happened.

          ....alternatively....

          Observer 7 was on the money. We have a cricket team that is underperforming; The Australian Open tennis is on; Our women's netball team just got beaten by Great Britain for the first time; we have meat & beer to buy for the upcoming Australia day holiday; it is busfire season; there was a story on the news about a cute cat being rescued from a tree.

          There were stories in a few papers that a few people read & nobody cared about. Some Chinese colonel opening his big yap has next to no impact here. We already know that the rise of China is going to be accompanied by increasingly intemperate rhetoric & behaviuor. We sort of factored it in a while back. We'll wait until the threats come from someone who matters...and it probably won't make much of a difference then either.
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          • #6
            Cricket? Australia plays cricket? Wow, the things you learn on WAB. Actually, come to think of it, Canada is the only country in the Commonwealth that doesn't take cricket seriously. We play a sport with body armour and a weapon.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
              We have a cricket team that is underperforming;
              You do, don't you

              Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
              Our women's netball team just got beaten by Great Britain for the first time;
              They did, didn't they

              Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
              there was a story on the news about a cute cat being rescued from a tree.
              I saw that on Sky news, I'm glad it was ok
              Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
              There were stories in a few papers that a few people read & nobody cared about. Some Chinese colonel opening his big yap has next to no impact here. We already know that the rise of China is going to be accompanied by increasingly intemperate rhetoric & behaviuor. We sort of factored it in a while back. We'll wait until the threats come from someone who matters...and it probably won't make much of a difference then either.
              We're just negotiating NZ'rs right to go on the dole in Oz....
              In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

              Leibniz

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                We play a sport with body armour and a weapon.
                So do we: rocks and clubs, just no armour....
                In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                Leibniz

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                  You do, don't you
                  Yep. Not being no.1 is 'underpeforming'. Bit like the All Blacks (but wiht a better World Cup record)

                  They did, didn't they
                  Got slightly more coverage than the Colonel, but less than the kitten.

                  I saw that on Sky news, I'm glad it was ok
                  Cute little bugger. I think the rescue crew got 'Straya Day honours.

                  We're just negotiating NZ'rs right to go on the dole in Oz....
                  You mean you can't do that already? That'll come as a surprse in Bondi.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    Cricket? Australia plays cricket? Wow, the things you learn on WAB. Actually, come to think of it, Canada is the only country in the Commonwealth that doesn't take cricket seriously. We play a sport with body armour and a weapon.
                    Kendo? I thought that was Japanese
                    If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                    • #11
                      The Colonel was referring to Hockey....

                      Although calling it a sport was over the top....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                        You mean you can't do that already? That'll come as a surprse in Bondi.
                        Alas no. Unlike every other bugger you let into the country, Kiwis are excluded from any form of benefit or subsidy the rest of youz live on...
                        In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                        Leibniz

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
                          The Colonel was referring to Hockey....

                          Although calling it a sport was over the top....
                          Ah yes hockey. We play that over here to - on nice green playing fields under a warm and sunny skies, we're quite good at it to. Odd people the Canadians seems they'll do just about anything to keep from freezing over I guess, evening stumbling about on top of a frozen pond on the pretext that they are actually engaging in a "sport". :)
                          Last edited by Monash; 26 Jan 13,, 03:01.
                          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                            Alas no. Unlike every other bugger you let into the country, Kiwis are excluded from any form of benefit or subsidy the rest of youz live on...
                            I thought we had one of those 'exchange' dealies where you could claim Kiwi benefits in Oz & Oz benefits in NZ - bit like reciprocal pension agreements. Oh well, there goes an urban myth.

                            BTW, happy to give Kiwis the same treatment as everybody else - either prove you are refugees (shouldn't be hard given where you come from) or meet the relevant points/sponsorship/skills requirement to emigrate & then wait 2 years before you get a cent from the gummint. That should dramatically cut the trans-tasman traffic. ;)
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Monash View Post
                              Ah yes hockey. We play that over here to - on nice green playing fields under a warm and sunny skies, we're quite good at it to. Odd people the Canadians seems they'll do just about anything to keep from freezing over I guess, evening stumbling about on top of a frozen pond on the pretext that they are actually engaging in a "sport". :)
                              In other words, you took Hockey and sissified it.

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