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    Georgia Billionaire Scores Shock Vote Upset Over Saakashvili - Bloomberg

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    Georgian billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili’s opposition coalition unexpectedly won the most votes in a parliamentary election yesterday, defeating U.S.- backed President Mikheil Saakashvili’s party.

    Ivanishvili, 56, called on Saakashvili to resign. The opposition Georgian Dream group had 54 percent of the votes, to 41 percent for the incumbent United National Movement, with almost 73 percent of the ballots counted, according to the website of the Electoral Committee in Tbilisi. Saakashvili, 44, conceded defeat and said his party would move into opposition.

    The president has “made a lot of mistakes,” Ivanishvili told reporters today. “If he were to resign and orders early presidential elections, and a new prime minister is appointed under the new constitution, the situation will return to normal. If not, there may be problems.”
    ""
    Georgia's president Saakashvili concedes election defeat | World news | The Guardian
    Basically Saakashvili still has a year left on his term.
    Under Georgia's constitution the president will carry on until the end of his term next October. After that Georgia shifts from a presidential to a parliamentary system. Over the next 12 months Saakashvili and Ivanishvilithe two men will have to work closely together, and consult on foreign policy and the budget.

    Ghia Nodia, a former education minister who now runs a Tbilisi thinktank, said: "You have Saakashvili's emotionality and Ivanishvili's bizarre character. But it's in both their interests to co-operate.

    "If Ivanishvili accepts this power-sharing arrangement, he will see it as a transitory stage towards acquiring full power," he said.
    Georgian government sources, meanwhile, said they had not been expecting to lose Monday's election. Opinion polls had put Saakashvili's party in front.

    They conceded that a video broadcast on 19 September showing prison officers beating and raping inmates with broom handles had turned public opinion against the authorities. Voters in the Georgian Orthodox church – unhappy with the government's socially liberal policies – had also supported the opposition in huge numbers, they said.

    By the way Ivanishvili used to finance Saakashvili, just my sense is things got quiet out of hand.
    Georgia Billionaire Who Once Bankrolled Saakashvili Now May Be His Top Challenger - Worldcrunch - All News is Global

    I think there will be more engagement with everyone and somewhat conciliation to a degree.
    Btw Ivanashvili is about as wealthy as somewhat over half of Georgian GDP or 8bil vs a GDP of about 14bil or 1/3rd if you take ppp which is 24bil.
    Last edited by cyppok; 02 Oct 12,, 19:29.
    Originally from Sochi, Russia.

  • #2
    I'll be interested in George Soros reaction via the Open Society Institute et al
    In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
      I'll be interested in George Soros reaction via the Open Society Institute et al
      Georgia: Can a French Citizen Become Georgia
      (this is basically his leaning publication I quote from it a lot sometimes they have good stories)

      They are just arguing over semantics now weather he can or can't be prime minister etc... All of it is useless since it doesn't change the fact that he will control the political party ergo all the political appointees ministers etc... will be his weather he runs it directly or not. Best situation I can compare it to is Fyrtash appointing most of ministers in Party of Regions cabinet even though he is not PM but most of the party in power is his (by virtue of funding)...

      Georgia: Could the Georgian Dream Turn Into a Nightmare? | EurasiaNet.org
      They are skeptical but they will come to terms the guy is a capitalist started from nothing. Etc...
      Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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      • #4
        So a quick look at some background here, since it is now 'history'.

        Going chronologically we have the 'Dagestan incident' which was prompted in March with a large Russian redeployment from Chechnya to Dagestan; "The official reason given for the movement of the troops was to “stabilize” the situation in Dagestan." The Jamestown Foundation: single[tt_news]=39160 According to some this was a “temporary detachment” Russia Deploying Troops for Temporary Dagestan Reinforcement - Bloomberg

        Then on August 29th the 'Georgian - Dagestan' incident took place; "Georgian Interior Ministry forces shot dead 11 gunmen, and three of its own troops were killed in an operation to free hostages near the border with Russia, the ministry said on Wednesday... On Tuesday, residents of a village 30 km (18 miles) from the border told Georgia's Rustavi-2 television they were concerned because five neighbors had been missing for days and they had seen men who appeared to be from Dagestan in the area." Well of course the 'Dagestani militants' that were killed did NOT carry identity papers but if they are from Dagestan - as is supposed - then they were officially 'Russian' but never mind. So this bunch of 'militants' then proceeds back to Dagestan where AFTER the Georgian elections the Russians supposedly catch up with them on the 14th October resulting in the 'Russian - Dagestan' incident; "Russian law enforcement forces have killed three militants during a counter-terrorism operation in the violence-plagued North Caucasus republic of Dagestan." PressTV - Russian forces kill three militants in Dagestan In fact of course the two incidents were totally unrelated. Those involved in the 'Georgian incident' never made it back. See the video here Police.ge - ????????? ?????????????

        After the Georgian elections a series of exercises were held kicking off with 'Interaction -2012' on 15th September in Armenia. See Interaction-2012 military exercises to kick off in Armenia: Voice of Russia

        Two days later on the 17th September “Kavkaz-2012” started in what Russia calls the 'Southern Military District' which basicly means north of Georgia. This was actually very worrying to the Georgians as the 'Kavkaz - 2008' exercise was immediately prior to the South Ossetia conflict. You can see “Kavkaz-2012” here



        Following these two exercises there followed “Georgia - 2012” run from the Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Centre (EADRCC). NATO refers to this as a "Consequence Management Exercise"; NATO - [Category]: Consequence Management Exercise ''GEORGIA - 2012'', 22-Sep.-2012

        I shall leave you to draw your own conclusions.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by snapper View Post
          So a quick look at some background here, since it is now 'history'.

          Going chronologically we have the 'Dagestan incident' which was prompted in March with a large Russian redeployment from Chechnya to Dagestan; "The official reason given for the movement of the troops was to “stabilize” the situation in Dagestan." The Jamestown Foundation: single[tt_news]=39160 According to some this was a “temporary detachment” Russia Deploying Troops for Temporary Dagestan Reinforcement - Bloomberg

          Then on August 29th the 'Georgian - Dagestan' incident took place; "Georgian Interior Ministry forces shot dead 11 gunmen, and three of its own troops were killed in an operation to free hostages near the border with Russia, the ministry said on Wednesday... On Tuesday, residents of a village 30 km (18 miles) from the border told Georgia's Rustavi-2 television they were concerned because five neighbors had been missing for days and they had seen men who appeared to be from Dagestan in the area." Well of course the 'Dagestani militants' that were killed did NOT carry identity papers but if they are from Dagestan - as is supposed - then they were officially 'Russian' but never mind. So this bunch of 'militants' then proceeds back to Dagestan where AFTER the Georgian elections the Russians supposedly catch up with them on the 14th October resulting in the 'Russian - Dagestan' incident; "Russian law enforcement forces have killed three militants during a counter-terrorism operation in the violence-plagued North Caucasus republic of Dagestan." PressTV - Russian forces kill three militants in Dagestan In fact of course the two incidents were totally unrelated. Those involved in the 'Georgian incident' never made it back. See the video here Police.ge - ????????? ?????????????

          After the Georgian elections a series of exercises were held kicking off with 'Interaction -2012' on 15th September in Armenia. See Interaction-2012 military exercises to kick off in Armenia: Voice of Russia

          Two days later on the 17th September “Kavkaz-2012” started in what Russia calls the 'Southern Military District' which basicly means north of Georgia. This was actually very worrying to the Georgians as the 'Kavkaz - 2008' exercise was immediately prior to the South Ossetia conflict. You can see “Kavkaz-2012” here



          Following these two exercises there followed “Georgia - 2012” run from the Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Centre (EADRCC). NATO refers to this as a "Consequence Management Exercise"; NATO - [Category]: Consequence Management Exercise ''GEORGIA - 2012'', 22-Sep.-2012

          I shall leave you to draw your own conclusions.
          Tit for Tat, when for about 10 years nobody cared that militants were using Pankisi and other gorges on the border as exit areas to come and go Georgia did nothing about it, except say it is their sovereign option what and where to enforce on their territory.

          Military district contraction from 8 to 6 to 4 is kinda independent of Georgia in my view.

          Thus far change there is slightly encouraging.
          Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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