India: Democracy Soaked In Blood Of Her Own People

[Tinu]

The US State Department report titled “Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2011” amply covers the extra judicial killings and torture by Indian security forces and insurgents all over India. Specific incidents have also been quoted explaining such horrific acts. Previous reports also indicate more or less the same things.

You guys may like to scan through the executive summary to find out the truth.

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2011

[Officer of Engineers]

What is your freaking point?

[Doktor]

Hey, I asked that first

[Bigfella]

Hey, I asked that first

Sorry Doc, I got in first. Right there in the second post.

Four pages & still nothing much beyond a bit of propagandizing. This could actually be a fascinating subject. Some of our Indian posters have made some interesing contributions. Sadly the OP still doesn't feel the need to tell us why this thread exists except as a vehicle to take a few swipes at India.

[Doktor]

BF, you are right.

Well, at least we are not alone.

[Double Edge]

This could actually be a fascinating subject.

Maybe you should hijack this thread towards that direction then

What's on your mind ?

Sadly the OP still doesn't feel the need to tell us why this thread exists except as a vehicle to take a few swipes at India.

I'm not holding my breath, OP's had 4 go's already.

[Tinu]

Sorry Doc, I got in first. Right there in the second post.

Four pages & still nothing much beyond a bit of propagandizing. This could actually be a fascinating subject. Some of our Indian posters have made some interesing contributions. Sadly the OP still doesn't feel the need to tell us why this thread exists except as a vehicle to take a few swipes at India.

Probably I have not been able to explain myself appropriately. I may not be good enough to do it. And I am not really taking swipe at India – this is not the idea at all.

What I want to say is that merely being a democratic country, big or small, is not the mantra of solving the problems of good governance. After all US and Canada are big and democratic. They have multi-religious, multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies. Yet such problems do not exist in these countries.

I will give you the example of Quebec in Canada. French speaking populace in Quebec want an independent Quebec. They have a civilized way to deal with it. They held referendum and those who wanted freedom lost the vote. This is democracy at its best. Why don’t we hear of an armed freedom movement in Canada. Do we see the Canadian security forces brutalizing those who seek freedom. NO. This is what civilized countries do.

Chinese brutalize the Tibetans. In Pakistan the security forces carryout human rights violations. It happens in other parts of the world as well. Why can’t the solutions be discussed to such problems. By posting this OpEd, I didn’t take a swipe at India. I just thought that highlighting such an issue may help us to reach some conclusions which may be helpful for the people of these countries where such oppression takes place.

Please don’t get angry with me :)

[Officer of Engineers]

I will give you the example of Quebec in Canada. French speaking populace in Quebec want an independent Quebec. They have a civilized way to deal with it. They held referendum and those who wanted freedom lost the vote. This is democracy at its best. Why don’t we hear of an armed freedom movement in Canada. Do we see the Canadian security forces brutalizing those who seek freedom. NO. This is what civilized countries do.

Oh HORSE PUCKEY!

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[Doktor]

So, there won't be any troubles in Canada in the next 58 years

[appu_sen]

Sorry Doc, I got in first. Right there in the second post.

Four pages & still nothing much beyond a bit of propagandizing. This could actually be a fascinating subject. Some of our Indian posters have made some interesing contributions. Sadly the OP still doesn't feel the need to tell us why this thread exists except as a vehicle to take a few swipes at India.

This is the point.....

Tired of such flames

[Tronic]

I will give you the example of Quebec in Canada. French speaking populace in Quebec want an independent Quebec. They have a civilized way to deal with it. They held referendum and those who wanted freedom lost the vote. This is democracy at its best. Why don’t we hear of an armed freedom movement in Canada. Do we see the Canadian security forces brutalizing those who seek freedom. NO. This is what civilized countries do.

You've obviously never heard of the FLQ.

[Tinu]

You've obviously never heard of the FLQ.

Sir, have you heard of the plebiscites or referendums held in 1980 and 1995.

[Officer of Engineers]

Sir, have you heard of the plebiscites or referendums held in 1980 and 1995.

That's not your point. Your point was that a mature democracy behaves peacefully. We showed you that the Canadians can be just as oppressive as anyone else when it comes to violent political challenges.

[Officer of Engineers]

You've obviously never heard of the FLQ.

Mixed feelings about that bunch of quacks. Most terrorists blow up police stations. Canadian terrorists blow up mail boxes. Most terrorists highjack airplanes. Ours highjack a bus.

While obviously, I like it that way but somehow, it wounds the pride that Canadian terrorism is the laughing stock of the world.

[Tronic]

Sir, have you heard of the plebiscites or referendums held in 1980 and 1995.

Yes, I have. It was a referendum called by a secessionist political party, the Parti Quebecois, which was in power in Quebec!

In the Indian context; the Punjabi separatists got swiped away in the Punjab elections and were never able to come to power, and in Indian Kashmir, the separatists refuse to take part in the elections to this day, fearing a similar fate! While Pakistani Kashmir for more than 6 decades has been under direct rule from Islamabad, and the separatist parties (who wish to secede from Pakistan aswell, rather than just India) are banned and exiled from POK. The Punjabi demographic bomb has also been released on the Pakistani Kashmiris, with the Pakistani Punjabis today outnumbering the ethnic Kashmiris in POK. Those are but a handful of reasons why a referendum in that region is a no-go.