India test launches Agni-V long-range missile

[1979]

There is no such thing as launch on warning. It has always been launch on impact, even with the superpowers. Too many false alarms on both sides to allow anything else.

In the event of a confrontation with the US, would China have a second strike option without launch on warning ?

[Officer of Engineers]

In the event of a confrontation with the US, would China have a second strike option without launch on warning ?

Against CONUS? Odds are against it but against American bases in Asia? Okinawa would receive a nuke or 2.

Actually, scratch that. The Chinese would rather lose their nuclear arsenal than to start a nuclear war. Their arsenal was under direct threat twice and twice, they never mated warhead to delivery vehicles.

[1979]

not strictly CONUS but Alaska and Hawaii as well.

[Tronic]

What happens if India develops an effective ABM system?

Let's cross that road when it is built.

India already has an ABM system; it is currently in its second phase of development. Phase 1 was first tested back in 2006, and is slated to be deployed around the country.

[commander]

India already has an ABM system; it is currently in its second phase of development. Phase 1 was first tested back in 2006, and is slated to be deployed around the country.

Tronic Maybe OOE sir mentioned deploying ABM ??? Correct me If I am wrong as per the source below ABM is no yet deployed for any Indian city. If he is referring to an ABM system in the works then India is definitely in the playground.

New Delhi could have anti-missile shield by 2014

According to a new Pentagon report on China’s military, Beijing has paid India a sort of compliment. The People’s Liberation Army now targets India with its best and latest nuclear-tipped missiles, the solid-fuel Dongfeng-21 (NATO designation: CSS-5) medium range ballistic missile (IRBM), tipped with a 250-kiloton nuclear warhead that would flatten a large part of Delhi. Until now, India had been considered deserving only of China’s oldest and most decrepit missile, the primitive, liquid-fuelled Dongfeng-3 (NATO designation CSS-2).

India’s defence establishment is taking this new threat seriously, as also that posed by Pakistan’s nuclear-tipped MRBMs — like the Ghauri-2 and the Shaheen-2 — which can strike targets 2300 kilometres away. In an exclusive interview with Business Standard, the Defence R&D Organisation’s chief missile scientist has announced that, within three years, India will have a fully deployed missile-defence shield to safeguard a city like New Delhi from missile-borne nuclear attack.

Termed an anti-ballistic missile (ABM) shield, this complex system has been in the making since 1996. The DRDO is satisfied with the system’s ability to detect and track an incoming missile, and then launch an interceptor missile to destroy it while it is still in space (exo-atmospheric interception). If that misses, there is a second interceptor that homes in on the enemy missile while it is in the upper atmosphere (endo-atmospheric interception). In internationally watched tests, these interceptors have been tested thrice each.
But only now has the DRDO announced that a fully integrated ABM system is close to deployment. Says Dr Avinash Chander, the DRDO’s Chief Controller for Missiles and Strategic Systems; “We can deploy an effective ABM system for a single city within 3 years from now. We can definitely ensure the safety of one city in that time frame. After that, the [ABM shield for] other cities will follow.”

Chander will not confirm that Delhi will receive India’s first ABM shield but, given Delhi’s vulnerability to MRBMs from Pakistan and China, and its status as the capital city, experts predict that it will almost certainly be the first city to be safeguarded.

“We are planning more ABM trials in a month or two. Both exo and endo-atmospheric interceptors are doing well in development. We already have a demonstrated capability against enemy missiles that are fired from up to 2000 kilometres away. After some more trials we will be going into deployment mode. The ground systems and the missiles are going to be available… there is no issue,” says Chander.

The sophistication of an ABM system depends upon the range of the incoming enemy missile. The longer the range of the incoming missile, the faster it travels and the more difficult it is to it detect and shoot it down. The missiles that currently target India — the Shaheen; the Ghauri; and the Dongfeng-21 — can all be successfully intercepted, says the DRDO.

“Pakistan can only target India with missiles that have ranges of less than 3000 kilometers, otherwise the missile will overshoot India. Our ABM system will be capable of detecting and shooting down incoming missiles from those ranges,” says Chander.

However China, with its arsenal of longer-range intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), and the geographical space to launch missiles from thousands of kilometres away, is capable of defeating India’s ABM system in its current form. The DRDO says that it will gradually enhance the ABM system to enable the interception of longer-range missiles.

For now, deployment is on track, says the DRDO’s missile chief. The radar network that is needed to detect an incoming enemy missile is already being sited. This includes a Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR), which Bangalore-based Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) has developed in collaboration with Israeli company, ELTA. The LRTR picks up incoming missiles at ranges out to 300 kilometres.

The ABM system also has a “guidance radar”, which tracks the incoming missile in its terminal phase and guides the interceptor missile onto the target. The DRDO developed the guidance radar in collaboration with French company, Thales. In addition, ABM systems also use satellite-based detection systems to detect enemy missile launches.

ABM systems are controversial; strategists argue that they destabilise a nuclear balance, incentivising the production of more nuclear weapons to defeat an enemy’s ABM shield. Indeed, Pakistan now has the world’s fastest growing nuclear arsenal after it aggressively expanded its Khushab reactor complex to produce more plutonium for bombs.

[1979]

termed an anti-ballistic missile (ABM) shield, this complex system has been in the making since 1996. The DRDO is satisfied with the system’s ability to detect and track an incoming missile, and then launch an interceptor missile to destroy it while it is still in space (exo-atmospheric interception). If that misses, there is a second interceptor that homes in on the enemy missile while it is in the upper atmosphere (endo-atmospheric interception). In internationally watched tests, these interceptors have been tested thrice each.

the best ABM is a fast Icbm, and by the way both interceptors are atmospheric , space interception means above the karman line.

[Double Edge]

So much for Global nuclear disarmament. If there's ever going to be a nuclear holocaust its practically guaranteed to be in South Asia.

Why ?

New Delhi has no plans to march to Islamabad or Beijing and neither does Beijing plan to march to New Delhi.

When the deterrents of the three countries are adequate, use of nukes will not arise. Arguably, that is the whole point. To deter a nuclear war.

However, conventional tips are possible and relatively more likely than nuclear tips.

[Native]

Let's cross that road when it is built.

We've discussed this before. This is a myth that even I once subscribed to. There is no such thing as launch on warning. It has always been launch on impact, even with the superpowers. Too many false alarms on both sides to allow anything else.

At face value I find this hard to swallow. If you we were in the mindset of "the Russians are going to launch!", we receive indicators and get multiple slow walker hits leading us to believe the shit is inbound. You are saying, we would wait to impact?

[xinhui]

Why ?

New Delhi has no plans to march to Islamabad or Beijing and neither does Beijing plan to march to New Delhi.

When the deterrents of the three countries are adequate, use of nukes will not arise. Arguably, that is the whole point. To deter a nuclear war.

However, conventional tips are possible and relatively more likely than nuclear tips.

If the PLA would put up such a sign, the media will have a field day.
LOL

No flame intended, just for fun. I also don't see a way, talks of lots from both sides, not much walks.

[Double Edge]

If the PLA would put up such a sign, the media will have a field day.
LOL

Yep, they already had a field day with just this

No flame intended, just for fun.

Nice find

I also don't see a way, talks of lots from both sides, not much walks.

Status quo is easiest.

[Officer of Engineers]

India already has an ABM system; it is currently in its second phase of development. Phase 1 was first tested back in 2006, and is slated to be deployed around the country.

You did notice that 2AF is expanding their cruise missile batteries. In the end, an arms race is about who can outspend whom and currently, it is the Chinese who have money.

But to answer your point, China is not going to nuke India and vice versa. To do so would invite nuclear strikes from the main two nuke powers and neither could afford that.

New Delhi could have anti-missile shield by 2014

According to a new Pentagon report on China’s military, Beijing has paid India a sort of compliment. The People’s Liberation Army now targets India with its best and latest nuclear-tipped missiles, the solid-fuel Dongfeng-21 (NATO designation: CSS-5) medium range ballistic missile (IRBM), tipped with a 250-kiloton nuclear warhead that would flatten a large part of Delhi. Until now, India had been considered deserving only of China’s oldest and most decrepit missile, the primitive, liquid-fuelled Dongfeng-3 (NATO designation CSS-2).

I stopped reading after this paragraph. This is a bullshit lead which means I have zero confidence in the accuracy of the rest.

At face value I find this hard to swallow. If you we were in the mindset of "the Russians are going to launch!", we receive indicators and get multiple slow walker hits leading us to believe the shit is inbound. You are saying, we would wait to impact?

As I stated, real life history of false alarms left both sides with no choice but this doctrine. The closest it came was a false alarm was sent all the way up the chain to SECSTATE Baker when the countermand came through. Had SECSTATE Baker chose to push for a decision, POTUS Jimmy Carter and 90 seconds to decide to launch.

That's way too small a window for Launch-On-Warning

[n21]

If the PLA would put up such a sign, the media will have a field day.
LOL

No flame intended, just for fun. I also don't see a way, talks of lots from both sides, not much walks.

That board was probably put up by IA's BRO.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...-signs-bro.jpg

http://images.cdn.fotopedia.com/dc0k...FsRwOgo-hd.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/k24k5.jpg

[1979]

At face value I find this hard to swallow. If you we were in the mindset of "the Russians are going to launch!", we receive indicators and get multiple slow walker hits leading us to believe the shit is inbound. You are saying, we would wait to impact?

At least one third of the submarine launched ballistic missiles would survive, not matter how successful a first strike is.
even one Lafayette class boomer packs 160-224 nuclear warheads that could be targeted independently.

with 14 boomers surviving that translates into 2800 nukes available for retaliation.

[DarthSiddius]

Slightly OT but still relevent?

India has developed a missile defence shield, which can be put in place at short notice to protect at least two cities, bringing the country on a par with an elite group of nations.

India has developed a missile defence shield, which can be put in place at short notice to protect at least two cities, bringing the country on a par with an elite group of nations. The shield, developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), has been tested successfully and an incoming ballistic missile with the range of up to 2,000 km can be destroyed. The system is to be upgraded to the range of 5,000 km by 2016. “The ballistic missile defence (BMD) shield is now mature...We are ready to put phase one in place and it can be put in very short time,” DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat told PTI here in an interview.

He said the shield, as part of phase one of the programme, can be put in place at two places in the country, where the infrastructure is available.

However, the two places have not yet been identified and the selection will be made at the political level.

The DRDO used variants of Prithvi missiles as simulated targets and successfully intercepted missiles in test-firings.


“We have carried out six successful launches and demonstrated the capability for 2,000 km targets...We have demonstrated it in two layers that is endo-atmospheric [inside the earth's atmosphere] and exo-atmospheric [outside the earth's atmosphere],” Mr. Saraswat said.

All the elements, such as long-range radars and tracking devices, real-time data link and mission control system required for the missile system had been “realised” successfully.

Under the phase two, the premier defence research agency would upgrade the system to handle ballistic missiles with range of 5,000 km. This phase is expected to be ready by 2016.

The system required for phase-II “is being developed,” he said adding that for this purpose, ships were being built from where the target missiles would be launched.

Talking about the advancement of the system, he said the missile defence shield has been “automated” to an extent where human intervention would be required only if the mission has to be aborted. The DRDO chief said the missile defence system is comparable with the U.S. Patriot 3 system, which was successfully used during the 1990 Gulf War against Iraq.

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Found this a while ago on reddit, rather interesting! Prithvi Air Defence (PAD)
Following starts from the portion where missile is intercepted.
Point where missile is destroyed

[xinhui]

U.S. Patriot 3 system, which was successfully used during the 1990 Gulf War against Iraq.

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