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Real life what-if, Indian Army assault on Deigo Garcia
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostActually, now that makes a lot of sense. The objective was not Diego Garcia but the Big E.
Maybe she was departing to Vietnam when IA cancelled the operation?No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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The only source I know is the son of a member of the ambulance that took part. He is our very own respected WAB's Lemontree, a retired Captain of the Indian Army and he told us all we know.
We filled a few blanks here and there, ie this was a brigade sized op and that the initial entry force was only hours away from jumping, mainly due to experience on what's needed and the timing of such an op.
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Originally posted by commander View PostPoint taken. Still I don't understand the bold bit of your statement divided nation(?).
The government was trying to wind down the Viet Nam war and DOD was already studying how to do away with conscription.
Drug use was rampant in civil society as well as in the military....and that is not just illegal drug use. Alcohol consumption was very high.
Most Americans could not tell you back then about East and West Pakistan and India other than places which appeared in fundraising ads for CARE, UNICEF and a host of other aid organizations.
Nixon realized that the country would not follow him into a war on the subcontinent of Asia.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by DeltacamelatelySir,
The Big E was the catalyst, nothing more nothing less. The IN/IAF/InA had nothing in hand to throw back at that boat.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostBut getting the Big E away from attacking the InN and rescuing one of their own would accomplish the same.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostYes and it would give the necessary ammunition to Nixon to galvanize the nation and follow him into another war and against India. Sure the operation would work, but it would be sheer national suicide. USSR would not save India despite the friendship pact.
Read my post at #51.
America was not about to get involved in another war in Asia as it was trying to get out of the one it was already involved in South East Asia. Congress would not have appropriated the long term funding.
And the US did nto yet see that area as key to our vital interests. Our focus had shifted to Europe and the very real problem that due to the Viet Nam war and friction with France NATO had fallen into disrepair. The US had to focus its resources on NATO and how to get our land forces out of Viet Nam.
Nixon and the JCS knew the Army, and to some extent the Marines, was broken and could not afford a fight with India while trying to start the long, hard slog to get NATO back to where it could be a deterrent. If NATO had been stronger I don't know that there could have been a Prague 68.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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the US would HAVE to respond if the indians attacked the Big E or Diego Garcia, though.
wonder what the response would have been.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by astralis View Postthe US would HAVE to respond if the indians attacked the Big E or Diego Garcia, though.
wonder what the response would have been.
What did the InN have at sea,
how much of the InAF interceptor capability was in the East
Could the Phantom's escort the B-52's to India
How many carriers were on Yankee Station.
Did the Soviet Union pressure India to begin the moves to draw pressure off of Vietnam?
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostHitesh,
Read my post at #51.
America was not about to get involved in another war in Asia as it was trying to get out of the one it was already involved in South East Asia. Congress would not have appropriated the long term funding.
And the US did nto yet see that area as key to our vital interests. Our focus had shifted to Europe and the very real problem that due to the Viet Nam war and friction with France NATO had fallen into disrepair. The US had to focus its resources on NATO and how to get our land forces out of Viet Nam.
Nixon and the JCS knew the Army, and to some extent the Marines, was broken and could not afford a fight with India while trying to start the long, hard slog to get NATO back to where it could be a deterrent. If NATO had been stronger I don't know that there could have been a Prague 68.
The majority of the public including Congress would be sufficiently galvanized to give Nixon free license to punish India by authorizing air raids in support of Pakistan. US would be carpet bombing left and right on Indian cities and military bases and forces until India cries mommy and accede to Pakistan's demands, including loss of massive territory such as complete handover of Kashmir, several key areas around East Bengal (Pakistan) and Pakistan would have crushed the fledgling independence movement with USAF and USN's help. Nixon would not go for ground troops but he sure can aid Pakistan tremendously with unlimited material support and monetary aid.
The only way I could see to avoid that is to seize Diego Garcia and wait for the Big E to shift course and steam forward to counter attack DG. When the Indians see the Americans coming, they skeedadle out of the way by heading for Mauritania or other islands in the Indian ocean perhaps using American seebees as hostages only to release them in return for safe passage. Big E has no choice but to proceed ahead and secure the island and secure the captured Americans or hostages. India apologizes profusely and attempt to diffuse the situation with diplomatic means saying it was a rogue operation or such. End result? No US naval presence in BoB for a couple days allowing the Soviets to set up a defensive screen and prevent further US naval forces from interfering with Indian operations and little Indian or American casualties.Last edited by Blademaster; 20 Mar 12,, 17:30.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostDoesn't matter. India attacked a US territory or base and it demands a military response. Never has been in the history of United states history did US fail to respond with overwhelming or disproportionate response or with fury to a military attack no mater how dire the economic or social situation was.
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Hitesh,
And you come to that conclusion how? I lived through those times. I remember watching Cronkite and Chancellor every night.
We didn't care.
It wasn't until the entire Indian Ocean area went to hell in a hand basket over then next 5 - 8 years that the US got involved seriously. When the flow of oil was threatened then you got America's attention.
But frankly, by the mid 1970s we all just wanted to get drunk and get laid and forget about the 1960s.
So if the Indians attack Diego Garcia (a British Territory, BTW, not US) there may be a proportional response from the US with the Enterprise CBG....but an overwhelming response and war with India? Nope...“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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