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  • South Australian Police Gun Deal outrages victims' groups.

    Look at the absolute shit we have to put up with.
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    AN SA Police deal to sell its second-hand guns to the American public has outraged victims' groups.

    It flies in the face of Australia's laws aimed at preventing gun-related violence, victims' groups say.

    The deal, struck in April 2008, means 2405 Smith & Wesson .357 revolvers were traded in after police changed to the new Smith & Wesson M&P40 semi-automatic pistols, retailing for $US569 ($540).

    The guns were traded-in to maker Smith & Wesson, which then on-sells the second-hand guns to sporting goods distributors who supply retailers.

    Victoria Police are believed to have traded in more than 7500 revolvers.

    A police spokesman refused to reveal how much the trade-in saved, or how much the new guns cost police, citing a confidentiality agreement.

    But victims' groups said they should have been destroyed.

    Related Coverage

    * Surplus police guns headed for US The Australian, 2 days ago
    * Police recover two replica guns and ammo Adelaide Now, 29 Mar 2011
    * Aussie in Arizona jail over gun purchase Adelaide Now, 24 Mar 2011
    * Police officer shoots himself in foot Herald Sun, 1 Mar 2011
    * Trade in stolen guns on the rise Adelaide Now, 15 Feb 2011

    Victims' Rights Commissioner Michael O'Connell said the trade-in did not reflect Australia's gun control laws.

    "Australia has very strict gun control laws for the intention of reducing gun-related violence," he said. "The ethical basis of that law should also influence the manner in which the police and others deal with their firearms."

    Mr O'Connell said much of the violence in the US is not perpetrated by criminals.

    "Look at gun violence in schools, in domestic violence situations - there are people who have had access to a legitimate firearm and because of its availability used it in a violent way," he said. "My preference would be the approach adopted by the Australian Federal Police in melting them down because it is consistent with Australia's approach to gun control."

    Victim Support Service chief executive Tony Waters agreed that the surplus guns should have been destroyed.



    Acting Police Minister Bernard Finnigan would not comment on the firearms sale.

    "The State Government believes the Commissioner of Police is best placed to make decisions on new weaponry," he said in an emailed statement.

    "These decisions should be made by the experts, not politicians."
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    Michael O'Connell isn't a victim of Gun related crime, he hasn't even taken any interest in where firearms are useful. This fella is part of the reason why people don't feel like it's their right to blow some pricks head off that's beating their missus to a pulp, or in their home with intent. The laws don't prevent gun related violence. They hurt a lot more people than they help. This dickhead hasn't spoken to people prosecuted by his precious act.
    Last edited by Chunder; 15 Apr 11,, 19:26.
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    Typical liberal socialist mentality, blame the object rather than the criminals. I wonder if the same victim's rights group blame that tight, short dress for the rape? Maybe we should outlaw revealing clothing to reduce sex crimes. Maybe sharia law does have some merits.

    Ever notice liberals like to destroy things? They want to destroy perfectly good guns that could serve well in the US 2nd hand market. Liberals here destroyed thousands of used cars to get people to buy new cars, at tax payer's expense.
    "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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    • #3
      Beat this scumbag until he asks to be shot.Then continue beating him,since you don't have the right to own a gun.
      Those who know don't speak
      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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      • #4
        Melting used police revolvers will accomplish what? These aren't even the kind of weapon that is behind most of these crimes they imagine they are fighting, these are expensive, low capacity guns, unlikely to be used by criminals - who favor very cheap or high capacity automatic weapons. Stupid PC idiots - they have manure for brains. Even manure is more useful than they are.
        sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
        If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."

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        • #5
          In an ideal Liberal police force:

          Stop! Or I'll say stop again!

          I'm still trying to understand why selling the used guns to a country damn near halfway across the world will offend families in Australia
          Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

          Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.

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          • #6
            The comments at the bottom of this article Second-hand SA police guns tresale is `wrong' | Adelaide Now - Is more indicative of perceptions. The present gun laws got in on the acts of a mentally disturbed bloke in Tasmania. The Gun laws were introduced and passed parliament in one of the quickest moves ever in Australian legislation. In my view, the way people are prosecuted - regardless of 'criminal' or misdemeanour history, and the complete lack of acknowledgement that might happen from the Parliament. This was an act of treachery.
            The DPP doesn't have a choice in the way charges are bought - and it's left up to the magistrate to decide.The Magistrate will decide impartially according to the act, therefor, it's critical to negotiate with the DPP before the case goes to trial. The DPP then must sympathise in it's submission to the magistrate so the magistrate can make a decision without it going to trial because the Perp, faced with a criminal charge, has no choice other than to take the maximum course of avoiding the charge, because of the repercussions of the charge. If Honest Joe pleaded guilty on face value to charges that were true, it would stuff their career & travel potential.

            Anyone that argues that that is a fair outcome is a fool.
            Of course the lawyers will first of all tell you that any charge re the firearms act very, very serious charge - who wouldn't - a potential criminal conviction awaits. The devil is always in the detail of these acts, and that is what makes it Treachery - the sheer loops the defendant must jump through because of the punishment on face value that awaits.

            O'Connell is the kind of jerk that is so removed from reality that he's has a conviction to a principle' IE akin to the Hitlers of society that have no tolerance or leeway for reality, and won't recognise how harshly people are treated so his conviction can be realised...
            Last edited by Chunder; 16 Apr 11,, 04:52.
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            • #7
              Why do the police in a country that has no guns, need guns?

              Of course I know there are guns in OZ, but you get the sarcasm? Of course there is a double standard for the citizenry and for the GUVNUH!!!

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              • #8
                I welcome the return of these classic S&W revolvers! Thanks, Australia!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                  I welcome the return of these classic S&W revolvers! Thanks, Australia!
                  Have you seen some of these Model 10s?

                  Revolver
                  "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                  • #10
                    Do you mean what is left of them?

                    Did you see what they are charging for Yugo SKS's now! 5-6 years ago one could buy 3 for what the are charging for 1.
                    Last edited by surfgun; 18 Apr 11,, 21:29.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                      Do you mean what is left of them?

                      Did you see what they are charging for Yugo SKS's now! 5-6 years ago one could buy 3 for what the are charging for 1.
                      Actually that's only slightly higher than what I paid for one 10 years ago in kommiefornia.

                      I hope those retired Aussie revolvers can make it here. I like police pistols from other nations. Usually they were carried plenty but shot little.
                      "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
                        Why do the police in a country that has no guns, need guns?

                        Of course I know there are guns in OZ, but you get the sarcasm? Of course there is a double standard for the citizenry and for the GUVNUH!!!
                        Same in the UK. The Government banned guns so that only the criminal now has guns. Gun Clubs have to go abroad to shoot their weapons.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chunder View Post
                          O'Connell is the kind of jerk that is so removed from reality that he's has a conviction to a principle' IE akin to the Hitlers of society that have no tolerance or leeway for reality, and won't recognise how harshly people are treated so his conviction can be realised...
                          "Mr O'Connell said much of the violence in the US is not perpetrated by criminals"


                          Since violence is a criminal act who does he think is perpetrating these acts?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
                            "Mr O'Connell said much of the violence in the US is not perpetrated by criminals"


                            Since violence is a criminal act who does he think is perpetrating these acts?
                            The victims?
                            "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                              Actually that's only slightly higher than what I paid for one 10 years ago in kommiefornia.

                              I hope those retired Aussie revolvers can make it here. I like police pistols from other nations. Usually they were carried plenty but shot little.
                              Well I did buy mine wholesale as I have Curio & Relics License. - so that would have driven my cost down.

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