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    For those who saw last week's issue of TIME Magazine and read the article on man's coming immortality, the most startling aspect may have been the concept of 'singularity', the definition of which is "the moment when technological change becomes so rapid and profound, it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history." To get a grasp on what that means for us, reading the story helps. But even so I was left with more questions than answers, for example, what does rupture and profound mean in the definition. Nevertheless, singularity has become a major topic among futurists. There is now even a Singularity University. Does any of this frighten you or are you happily waiting for the predictions to come true?


    2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal
    By Lev Grossman Thursday, Feb. 10, 2011

    On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was.

    On the show (see the clip on YouTube), the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200. (See TIME's photo-essay "Cyberdyne's Real Robot.")

    Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasι about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher.

    But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence.

    That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away. (See the best inventions of 2010.)

    Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing.

    True? True.

    So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence. All that horsepower could be put in the service of emulating whatever it is our brains are doing when they create consciousness — not just doing arithmetic very quickly or composing piano music but also driving cars, writing books, making ethical decisions, appreciating fancy paintings, making witty observations at cocktail parties.

    If you can swallow that idea, and Kurzweil and a lot of other very smart people can, then all bets are off. From that point on, there's no reason to think computers would stop getting more powerful. They would keep on developing until they were far more intelligent than we are. Their rate of development would also continue to increase, because they would take over their own development from their slower-thinking human creators. Imagine a computer scientist that was itself a super-intelligent computer. It would work incredibly quickly. It could draw on huge amounts of data effortlessly. It wouldn't even take breaks to play Farmville.

    Probably. It's impossible to predict the behavior of these smarter-than-human intelligences with which (with whom?) we might one day share the planet, because if you could, you'd be as smart as they would be. But there are a lot of theories about it. Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011. This transformation has a name: the Singularity. (Comment on this story.)

    The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.

    Read more:

    Singularity: Kurzweil on 2045, When Humans, Machines Merge - TIME
    To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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    Jad, so right I dont know what to ask after reading it, IMO these guys that believe all this, really do want to believe it, and like global warming believers they will go to any lengths to get us on board with there belief.

    Gunnut got it right when he said in another thread;
    Humans don't learn fast, but we are incredibly adaptable. I'll be worried when computers can figure out how to learn, not what to learn.
    I think I will go along with GN, lol that way I sleep easier
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    • #3
      At the end of the day it still take a slow human to build a fast computer. If the b uggers get too cocky.......pull the plug out of the wall

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      • #4
        For those interested in further reading, just look up technological singularity on wikipedia

        Technological singularity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Also, concepts like Posthumanism and Transhumanism. The fundamental concept I believe is that in the modern era, homo sapiens is functioning on now outdated and irrational instincts, namely animal ones - those for singular survival. Out of this we have emotions (which are by extension instincts that have found their way into the genepool because they are beneficial to us), which are redundant in a society where evolution is nil. Modern medicine all but obsoletes evolution, as the "weak" survive and the genepool becomes progressively weaker.

        Hear me out, I'm not advocating Eugenics, but rather modification of Homo Sapiens through genetic engineering. Most of the calamities of the 21st and 20th century have resulted out of humans with "animal" mindsets playing with technology far above their grasp. Emotions, love, hate, all these are now obsolete, primarily because they only serviced and aided survival. Survival for us is now ensured by technology, not by instincts. For us to truly progress as a species, forced evolution is the only thing I can see that would allow us to transcend from a planet-locked civilization to a spacefaring one.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lonekommie View Post
          For those interested in further reading, just look up technological singularity on wikipedia

          Technological singularity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Also, concepts like Posthumanism and Transhumanism. The fundamental concept I believe is that in the modern era, homo sapiens is functioning on now outdated and irrational instincts, namely animal ones - those for singular survival. Out of this we have emotions (which are by extension instincts that have found their way into the genepool because they are beneficial to us), which are redundant in a society where evolution is nil. Modern medicine all but obsoletes evolution, as the "weak" survive and the genepool becomes progressively weaker.

          Is this not in itself "evolution"? and homo sapiens will compensate for it?

          Hear me out, I'm not advocating Eugenics, but rather modification of Homo Sapiens through genetic engineering. Most of the calamities of the 21st and 20th century have resulted out of humans with "animal" mindsets playing with technology far above their grasp. Emotions, love, hate, all these are now obsolete, primarily because they only serviced and aided survival. Survival for us is now ensured by technology, not by instincts. For us to truly progress as a species, forced evolution is the only thing I can see that would allow us to transcend from a planet-locked civilization to a spacefaring one.

          love, hate? if all our emotions are obsolete how do we rationalise anything?
          And who thought up genetic engineering, was it a computer?
          Thought provoking though.
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          • #6
            I was talking to my doctor about this whole human immortality thing a few months ago, and he was of the opinion that it was a complete and total pipe dream to think these things will happen anytime in the next century.

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            • #7
              i think it's fully possible within the next 50 years.
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • #8
                You want my MD's number so you can argue with him? ;)

                I do believe machines will be the next step in human evolution though. Why even bother with the human body at all, it is so pitifully fragile and short lived.

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                • #9
                  The key assumption of the AI induced Singularity is that an AI with the similar intelligence to a human would be able to recursively improve its own performance- it makes itself, or a version of itself, just a little bit more intelligent. The new improved version can improve just a little bit more, and so on. If the degree of performance improvement follows Moore's Law, quite quickly we will have AI incomprehensibly more intelligent than humans.

                  That assumption is a big one, though. Underlying it is the assumption that an AI program of human intelligence will understand its own design. Given that we humans are, naturally, of human intelligence, and don't understand our own design, this assumption seems questionable to me, especially if AI arises from brain emulation rather than bottom up software design, which seems like a strong possibility to me.

                  The second major part of the assumption is that recursive performance enhancement will grow exponentially. If intelligence is directly related to processing speed, this is understandable given the remarkable steadiness of Moore's Law over the past decades. But, first, I don't think Moore's Law is guaranteed to continue to operate, and second, I'm not sure that processor speed is only thing necessary, though it's plausible.

                  As for this,

                  The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth.
                  ...well, this...just doesn't really sound like something an SF writer like Grossman would write, and I'm rather puzzled. The Singularity is absolutely the stuff of science fiction. That's not a bad thing, just a fact. And to compare it to weather forecasting is beyond absurd. Weather forecasting is applied physics, futurism is applied imagination. Plus physics.
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                  • #10
                    As for immortality, there's one eensy weensy problem: cancer.
                    I enjoy being wrong too much to change my mind.

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                    • #11
                      I already am immortal. At least I'm working on that assumption until proven otherwise.

                      Since that particular singularity has occurred, did anyone other than myself notice?
                      In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                      Leibniz

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                      • #12
                        the moment when technological change becomes so rapid and profound, it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history
                        Hasn't that happen already since WWII and is happening?
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                        • #13
                          I do believe machines will be the next step in human evolution though. Why even bother with the human body at all, it is so pitifully fragile and short lived.
                          it will probably be biomachinery. it'll probably start with stronger limbs/muscles for soldiers, then start trickling down into the general populace. i wouldn't be surprised if we end up with dual organ implantation, too, so that single-point failure (say, a heart attack) will no longer be fatal. mix that with cellular reprogramming (effectively undoing oxidative stress damage) and voila.

                          mix nanotech with quantum computing capabilities and real AI and you'll have that for a fix. it'll be interesting to see them battles diseases, too. of course that might not be so great for our immune systems...wonder how that'll be solved.

                          significant life increase should start popping up in the next 20-30 years. virtual immortality, including being able to "upload" brains, might take 50. i really can't see this taking longer than 100 years, well absent a nuclear war or zombie apocalypse anyway.
                          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                          • #14
                            AG,

                            As for immortality, there's one eensy weensy problem: cancer.
                            yeah, hopefully that immortality isn't something of a continuation of current trends, where we lengthen life but not quality thereof.

                            i think, though, that we're on the brink of several new revolutions that will allow us to leap above the incrementalism.
                            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                            • #15
                              BTW, i'm rather more pessimistic about it than the REAL kurzweil believers. as the article mentions above, he thinks this will all happen in about 20-30 years. it'll probably be a few decades longer than that.

                              kurzweil also takes something like 250 supplements a day in his quest to live long enough for the machines to take over and achieve immortality. smacks a bit of desperation, but then again as he's 62 or so years old...
                              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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