Do armies hold live fire(non-lethal) exercises pitting companies against each other?

[Shek]

Heck. Back in the "olden days" of the early to mid '80s, we'd just yell bang bang at each other. Now, if the guy on the other team refused to admit you got him, then the fun started. I saw more than one such exercise devolve into close combat over who shot who.

Sounds like payday activities at the bar . . .

[Mihais]

Sounds like childhood.

[bigross86]

Sounds like Marines!

[dave lukins]

Sounds like Marines!

Ouch!!!

[gunnut]

In the mid 90s to early 02 we (USMC) used simunitions during small unit one on one training.

They are paint/watercolor filled 9mm wax rounds that can be fired from modified M-16s and regular M-9s. Simunition rounds and adapter kits were pretty hard to come by. I think the unit of issue was 1 companys worth per regiment(?) and it was in heavy demand. We called it SESAMS.

The one thing I remember most is that the round traveled at 650fps and stung like crazy.

A 9mm round traveling a little over 2x the speed of a regular paintball round.

Much better than lasers. There is no denying that you are hit. Or gaming the "Miles" by using concealment as cover. It dislodged a few bad habits that gets picked up during miles training, like hiding behind a bush vice using real cover. Or removing the receiver batteries in your gear.

Many Battalions used unit funds and bought paintball guns for small level force on force without having to wait for the SESAMs to become available.

I don't know if it is still used

What? That's cheating!

I just got back into playing Counter Strike (shooting game between terrorists and counter terrorists). After I'm dead, I don't tell my friends over voice or chat where the other side is. That's just bad gamesmanship.

However, in a real war situation, I would do just about anything to gain an advantage over the enemy, short of committing war crimes.

[Mihais]

Be aware not to commit mistakes.If you win your crimes may be forgiven(unless they're truly nasty).

[Gun Grape]

What? That's cheating!

long ago one of my Field Artillery Chiefs, who is now a coworker of Arty Eng, use to say

"If you ain't cheating, you aint trying"

[Gun Grape]

Maybe Albany can help me out. After all he is older than dirt. What was the system/training aid called before MILES?

The one where you wore numbers on your uniform and helmet and scored "hits" on the OpFor by being able to tell the ref what number they were wearing.

[Blue]

In the mid 90s to early 02 we (USMC) used simunitions during small unit one on one training.

We used them far back as '86 for CQB training and yes, they hurt like hell when you got hit. It was all fun and games till I got shot! Ouch! One of my "buddies" thought it would be funny to rip into me with about a half clip out of an Uzi, full out.

[bigross86]

We used them far back as '86 for CQB training and yes, they hurt like hell when you got hit. It was all fun and games till I got shot! Ouch! One of my "buddies" thought it would be funny to rip into me with about a half clip out of an Uzi, full out.

To him it was probably hysterical...

[T_igger_cs_30]

A point to note regarding "cheating" on Ex, being from the "old school" myself I agree it used to be a point of honour to confuse and outwit the umpires.......... however, time, experience and maturity has taught me that in doing this in training you are only cheating yourself.
With the AWES system in use I work with, we can easily detect and work out who is "playing games' and trying to manipulate the outcome of egagements/mission, this is done a lot early in the exercises, D-Day to say D+3, once we have higlighted the culprits etc on the AAR's it becomes a non issue and people start to get the best results and lessons in training through the AAR's.
I have to say it is very very satisfying to see the improvement within the BG by endex D+25, and also the change in attitude regarding TES.

But it was fun fooling the old umpires...................

[tankie]

A point to note regarding "cheating" on Ex, being from the "old school" myself I agree it used to be a point of honour to confuse and outwit the umpires.......... however, time, experience and maturity has taught me that in doing this in training you are only cheating yourself.
With the AWES system in use I work with, we can easily detect and work out who is "playing games' and trying to manipulate the outcome of egagements/mission, this is done a lot early in the exercises, D-Day to say D+3, once we have higlighted the culprits etc on the AAR's it becomes a non issue and people start to get the best results and lessons in training through the AAR's.
I have to say it is very very satisfying to see the improvement within the BG by endex D+25, and also the change in attitude regarding TES.

But it was fun fooling the old umpires...................

Heh i remember when i was a gunner on scymitars , we were informed by the ump we were knocked out on good ol solly , the cnut (very fresh ) asked if we would lay down with tomato sauce on us for authenticity ,, hahaha , he was told to fcuk off while we had a wash n scoff , richard head .

[T_igger_cs_30]

Heh i remember when i was a gunner on scymitars , we were informed by the ump we were knocked out on good ol solly , the cnut (very fresh ) asked if we would lay down with tomato sauce on us for authenticity ,, hahaha , he was told to fcuk off while we had a wash n scoff , richard head .

[tankie]

The cmdr was Bob , bro of Jack , and i cant remember their surname , Wayne ,, hilfe ?

[T_igger_cs_30]

The cmdr was Bob , bro of Jack , and i cant remember their surname , Wayne ,, hilfe ?

Butel...............