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    Last U.S. combat convoy has left Iraq


    Mosul, Iraq (CNN) -- The last U.S. brigade combat team in Iraq has left the country, a move that helps U.S. President Barack Obama reach his goal of 50,000 troops in the country by September 1.

    Their departure leaves about 56,000 U.S. troops in the country, according to the U.S. military.

    Capt. Christopher Ophardt, spokesman for the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, said the last of the 4,000 members of the unit crossed the border into Kuwait early Thursday.

    A few hundred members stayed behind to finish administrative and logistical duties but will fly out of Baghdad later Thursday, Ophardt said.

    Much of the brigade departed more than a day ago, but the announcement was delayed for security reasons.

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    Their departure comes more than seven years after U.S. combat forces entered, though their departure does not signify the end of all U.S. combat forces in the country.

    Another 6,000 U.S. troops must leave Iraq to meet Obama's deadline for the end of U.S. combat operations in the country and the beginning of Operation New Dawn, in which the remaining U.S. forces are expected to switch to an advise-and-assist role.
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    We're keeping the promise that we've made when I began my campaign for the presidency
    --U.S. President Barack Obama

    A public information officer at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington, said it will take a few weeks for all of the 4-2's members to return home. "It is one flight at a time," she said. "We are expecting most of them to be home by mid-September."

    As they prepared to depart, some soldiers laughed and some expressed relief at having survived multiple deployments. A few reminisced about having endured firefights and helping carry the bodies of buddies off the field of battle. Many said they would never forget the war.

    "The first time you get shot at, it's just, I mean, it wakes you up," said Sgt. Terry Wetzel, the company's senior sniper. "You think, before you come here, that you're an adult, that you're a grown man. But this place will change you."

    Wetzel said he was ready to go home. "I feel like we have done as much as we can do here now. It's pretty much up to the Iraqi army and Iraqi police and their government," he said. "We have helped them out as much as we can."

    "We put our blood, sweat and tears since we've been here for 12 months and we know we did our job and we know it's not going to be in vain, but there's a lot of excitement right now," said Spc. Don Lanpher as he prepared to depart.

    "We're keeping the promise that we've made when I began my campaign for the presidency," Obama said Wednesday in Columbus, Ohio, where he was attending a Democratic fundraiser. "By the end of this month ... our combat mission will be over in Iraq."
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    Obama said that more than 90,000 U.S. troops have left Iraq in the past 18 months.

    "And, consistent with our agreement with the Iraqi government, all of our troops will be out of Iraq by the end of next year," he said.

    Former U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker told CNN that the United States has plenty of work left to do in Iraq.

    "Iraq is still at the beginning of the story of its evolution since 2003," he said, referring to the date of the U.S.-led invasion of the country. "As tired as many Americans may be, this process is still just at its beginning."

    In fact, Iraq remains without a functioning government, electricity and other utilities are available only sporadically in the capital, and violence appears to be increasing. At least 48 people were killed Tuesday outside a military recruiting center in Baghdad.

    "We're going to have to leave a large footprint behind, and this is not going away for us as an issue," he said.

    The State Department is preparing to leave much of that footprint. It will handle many of the responsibilities currently shouldered by the military, increasing its security contractors from 2,700 to nearly 7,000, sources said.

    They are expected to work with diplomats and police trainers in some facilities.

    The State Department has asked for an additional $400 million to cover the costs, though it was not clear they would get it.

    The State Department has asked the U.S. military to leave behind surveillance systems, about 50 bomb-resistant vehicles and a few dozen UH-60 helicopters, a military official said. Though they got a lot of what they wanted, the Pentagon said it could not give them all the helicopters because they are needed in Afghanistan, the official said.

    According to the Pentagon, 4,419 U.S. troops have died in Iraq.
    In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

    Leibniz

  • #2
    I'd just like to add my congratulations to all who were involved in this. Regardless of the politics it was neither easy nor popular but in the main the forces involved I believe carried themselves damn well.
    In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

    Leibniz

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    • #3


      Remember in November.

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      • #4
        From Stratfor:

        U.S. President Barack Obama’s abandonment of Iraq is causing a tragic power vacuum and neighboring countries are intruding in Baghdad politics, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said in an interview with Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Today’s Zaman reported on Aug. 19. Zebari said he repeatedly warned Washington regarding the issue, but the Americans are leaving and Iranians, Turks, Syrians and others are filling the vacuum. As instability increases, neighboring states are vying to gain influence in Iraq, he said. Turkey is unusually active and should be balanced with a contrary power, Zebari said.
        So does anyone think it will be quiet or noisy for Iraq the next few years?


        Parihaka, I'd just like to note that's a damn good quote in your signature.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rj1 View Post

          Parihaka, I'd just like to note that's a damn good quote in your signature.
          Aye, a wise man Mr O'Rourke
          In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

          Leibniz

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          • #6
            Ever read his Manifesto, first delivered to the Cato Institute back in '94 (I think)? Awesome; a tour de force.

            And to this day, I remain a deeply uncommitted inactivist.

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            • #7
              Come on. We had 7 years to stabilize Iraq and it didn't exactly work out. How is another 5 years gonna make the difference? Iraq has to deal with this problem on her own now. She wants independence? Okay here it is. It is your responsibility from now on and stop crying Mama or boo hoo or playing the victim game. Deal with the problem and solve it on your own terms. That is what independence and freedom is all about. It is messy and chaotic, not a Cinderella ball.

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              • #8
                BTW, note the SOFA was -NOT- an obama document. it was a joint Bush Admin-Iraqi document. they have nothing to whine about.
                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                  Come on. We had 7 years to stabilize Iraq and it didn't exactly work out. How is another 5 years gonna make the difference? Iraq has to deal with this problem on her own now. She wants independence? Okay here it is. It is your responsibility from now on and stop crying Mama or boo hoo or playing the victim game. Deal with the problem and solve it on your own terms. That is what independence and freedom is all about. It is messy and chaotic, not a Cinderella ball.
                  It DID work out, actually. And I'd say the Iraqis have a helluva lot more insight into what independence means than most any non-American can decently lecture them about. Iraqis MAJOR in 'Messy', with a minor in 'Chaos' at Hard Knocks Tech. They 'get' it. The only ones going boo hoo are the guys that made a fortune off of our largesse; the rest of 'em seem like they're ready to go on their own.

                  But is the situation still screw-uppable? Oh, sure, and if ANYbody could - and seemingly WISHES to - snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, our 'president' is just the guy to do it.

                  Reid was wrong then, but in the long run he may just get his wish: a strategic defeat for the United States of America. Reid wasn't able to stop the US military from doing the impossible, but with a Commander-in-Chief determined to blow it all up, it just may go down as yet another victory won by a Republican, and given away by Democrats. For historical reference, see South Vietnam, circa 1975.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bluesman View Post
                    Ever read his Manifesto, first delivered to the Cato Institute back in '94 (I think)? Awesome; a tour de force.

                    And to this day, I remain a deeply uncommitted inactivist.



                    You mean this?


                    The Liberty Manifesto
                    by P.J. O'Rourke

                    P.J. O'Rourke is the Cato Institute's Mencken research fellow.

                    Remarks delivered at a gala dinner celebrating the opening of the Cato Institute's new headquarters in Washington.

                    P.J. O'Rourke is the Cato Institute's Mencken research fellow.Remarks delivered at a gala dinner celebrating the opening of the Cato Institute's new headquarters in Washington.
                    Added to cato.org on May 6, 1993

                    This article appeared on cato.org on May 6, 1993.



                    The Cato Institute has an unusual political cause -- which is no political cause whatsoever. We are here tonight to dedicate ourselves to that cause, to dedicate ourselves, in other words, to . . . nothing.

                    We have no ideology, no agenda, no catechism, no dialectic, no plan for humanity. We have no "vision thing," as our ex-president would say, or, as our current president would say, we have no Hillary.

                    All we have is the belief that people should do what people want to do, unless it causes harm to other people. And that had better be clear and provable harm. No nonsense about second-hand smoke or hurtful, insensitive language, please.

                    I don't know what's good for you. You don't know what's good for me. We don't know what's good for mankind. And it sometimes seems as though we're the only people who don't. It may well be that, gathered right here in this room tonight,are all the people in the world who don't want to tell all the people in the world what to do.

                    This is because we believe in freedom. Freedom -- what this country was established upon, what the Constitution was written to defend, what the Civil War was fought to perfect.

                    Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the "right" to education, the "right" to health care, the "right" to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle.

                    There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.

                    So we are here tonight in a kind of anti-matter protest -- an unpolitical undemonstration by deeply uncommitted inactivists. We are part of a huge invisible picket line that circles the White House twenty-four hours a day. We are participants in an enormous non-march on Washington -- millions and millions of Americans not descending upon the nation's capital in order to demand nothing from the United States government. To demand nothing, that is, except the one thing which no government in history has been able to do -- leave us alone.

                    There are just two rules of governance in a free society:

                    •Mind your own business.
                    •Keep your hands to yourself.
                    Bill, keep your hands to yourself. Hillary, mind your own business.

                    We have a group of incredibly silly people in the White House right now, people who think government works. Or that government would work, if you got some real bright young kids from Yale to run it.

                    We're being governed by dorm room bull session. The Clinton administration is over there right now pulling an all-nighter in the West Wing. They think that, if they can just stay up late enough, they can create a healthy economy and bring peace to former Yugoslavia.

                    The Clinton administration is going to decrease government spending by increasing the amount of money we give to the government to spend.

                    Health care is too expensive, so the Clinton administration is putting a high-powered corporate lawyer in charge of making it cheaper. (This is what I always do when I want to spend less money -- hire a lawyer from Yale.) If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free.

                    The Clinton administration is putting together a program so that college graduates can work to pay off their school tuition. As if this were some genius idea. It's called getting a job. Most folks do that when they get out of college, unless, of course, they happen to become governor of Arkansas.

                    And the Clinton administration launched an attack on people in Texas because those people were religious nuts with guns. Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns. Who does Bill Clinton think stepped ashore on Plymouth Rock? Peace Corps volunteers? Or maybe the people in Texas were attacked because of child abuse. But, if child abuse was the issue, why didn't Janet Reno tear-gas Woody Allen?

                    You know, if government were a product, selling it would be illegal.

                    Government is a health hazard. Governments have killed many more people than cigarettes or unbuckled seat belts ever have.

                    Government contains impure ingredients -- as anybody who's looked at Congress can tell you.

                    On the basis of Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign promises, I think we can say government practices deceptive advertising.

                    And the merest glance at the federal budget is enough to convict the government of perjury, extortion, and fraud.

                    There, ladies and gentlemen, you have the Cato Institute's program in a nutshell: government should be against the law.

                    Term limits aren't enough. We need jail.
                    Heh. Change the names and it's as pertinent as ever.
                    In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                    Leibniz

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                      You mean this?


                      The Liberty Manifesto

                      Heh. Change the names and it's as pertinent as ever.
                      It has ALWAYS been thus. It's why we needed a Constitution in the first dam' place. And it's why the Left HATES the Constitution: it puts a limit on what they're allowed to do.

                      But notice: for the first time, it doesn't even seem to matter that some things are NOT permissable. nlawful things are done almost daily by this Administration, and it doesn't seem to matter at all.

                      It's why there's a smoldering anger that may yet burst into flame. It is quite literally true that the country wasn't THIS angry when our actual founding took place.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bluesman View Post
                        It has ALWAYS been thus. It's why we needed a Constitution in the first dam' place. And it's why the Left HATES the Constitution: it puts a limit on what they're allowed to do.

                        But notice: for the first time, it doesn't even seem to matter that some things are NOT permissable. nlawful things are done almost daily by this Administration, and it doesn't seem to matter at all.

                        It's why there's a smoldering anger that may yet burst into flame. It is quite literally true that the country wasn't THIS angry when our actual founding took place.
                        Having grown up in a socialist environment it's taken me a long time to understand the American right's frame of mind. That speech helped a lot and I'm better for the experience.
                        In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                        Leibniz

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                          Come on. We had 7 years to stabilize Iraq and it didn't exactly work out. How is another 5 years gonna make the difference? Iraq has to deal with this problem on her own now. She wants independence? Okay here it is. It is your responsibility from now on and stop crying Mama or boo hoo or playing the victim game. Deal with the problem and solve it on your own terms. That is what independence and freedom is all about. It is messy and chaotic, not a Cinderella ball.
                          Co signed! US has been used for far too long. They were happy to cozy up with the same people who were killing up their own people, so long they killed US service man as well. The were happy to join the club of calling the US occupiers/invaders/etc, and they did nothing to defend the US to their neighbours who were saying all sorts of nasty things about the US and its presence in Iraq, when the US was secrificing blood and buck for them. Yeah, lets see who are their real friends now. They prepared their bed let them lie in it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                            You mean this?


                            The Liberty Manifesto

                            Heh. Change the names and it's as pertinent as ever.
                            What a halluva speech!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bluesman View Post
                              It has ALWAYS been thus. It's why we needed a Constitution in the first dam' place. And it's why the Left HATES the Constitution: it puts a limit on what they're allowed to do.

                              But notice: for the first time, it doesn't even seem to matter that some things are NOT permissable. nlawful things are done almost daily by this Administration, and it doesn't seem to matter at all.

                              It's why there's a smoldering anger that may yet burst into flame. It is quite literally true that the country wasn't THIS angry when our actual founding took place.
                              Forgive my ignorance in American politics, but from the perspective of a foreign (Australian) observer, exactly what has Obama done to violate American law? From the foreign observers perspective, Obama has delivered much needed reform to the Health sector, and the leading power of the world cannot call itself developed if it cannot care for its most underpriviligied, one has to argue that that is a role of a government, to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. We have seeing through the Global Financial Crisis and the sub-prime mortgage crisis that one cannot trust banks and corporations to regulate and ensure that people and the economy is safeguarded. The B.P oilspill only reinforces this.

                              I would also like to congratulate and commiserate all troops involved with the Iraqi War, regardless of the dubious political motive behind the invasion, the bravery and solidarity of the troops must always be commended in every conflict.
                              Last edited by Wayfarer; 23 Aug 10,, 12:10.
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