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    I have been trying very hard not to start any thread on the maoist problem in India.But this new joke was beyond it all:
    'Maoists looking at armed overthrow of state by 2050' - India - The Times of India

    NEW DELHI: Home secretary G K Pillai on Friday said Maoists were looking at the armed overthrow of the Indian state by 2050, acknowledging that the state was ill-equipped at present to put significant pressure on them.

    Addressing a seminar on `Left-wing extremism' at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA), Pillai said, "The overthrow of the Indian state is not something they are willing to do tomorrow or the day after. Their strategy, according to a booklet they circulated, is that they are looking at 2050, some documents say at 2060."

    Pillai described Maoists as a formidable enemy, saying they had not come under any significant pressure yet, because their core armed cadres remained intact and out of reach of the Indian state. Dismissing recent talk of talks, Pillai was sure that the Maoists would only come for negotiations when they felt the heat, which they were not at present.

    The Indian state, its administrative lapses and poor governance were largely to blame for the growth of Naxalism, he said. The Maoists had developed bases in remote, forest areas, where they operated in a perceived administrative vacuum. There were many districts, Pillai said, where the government had not existed for decades.

    They also lived in a strange paradox, opposing development on the one hand but drawing oxygen from the development dissatisfaction of the local people, he added.

    However, Pillai said that for the first time in the past one year, the state had decided to tackle this extremism head-on, and take back much of the areas "lost" to the Maoists. In Chhattisgarh, for instance, the state had reclaimed about 4,000 sq km of territory that had been under a severe development deficit and under Maoist control.

    Over the past 60 years, the Indian state had created a huge detritus of poor governance -- whether it was laws governing tribals' access to forest land or their right to minor forest produce. All this was changing, but very slowly, because the Indian system has traditionally moved very slowly, Pillai said.

    He cited the new mining act which will be introduced in Parliament soon. The legislation envisages a fund in perpetuity for the development of local villages; new power plants will have to give subsidised or free power to surrounding villages, and the government is in the process of withdrawing cases against tribals for accessing minor forest produce. But these measures will take a while to show up on the ground.

    The government was also hamstrung by the fact that different states took different views on tackling the menace. For instance, West Bengal continues to take an ambivalent position. In January 2009, it refused to allow inter-state operations against Maoists, but a year and many killings later, the CPM government is now seeing the value of this.

    Pillai said the Maoists had been very successful in setting up their structures and systems, funds and training as well as access to about Rs 1,400 crore a year in funds. Their operations were largely low cost, but Pillai was clear that they were not really interested in any discussions with the state. Their aim was armed revolt. In West Bengal, where the CPM thought it could convince the Maoists to change their ways, 159 party workers were killed by the ultras in West Midnapore alone.

    Pillai said one of the first acts of the Maoists was to demystify state authority by shooting at the face of officialdom in the target area. The Maoists were also helped by so-called intellectual groups and civil society organisations by building resistance and protests to things like SEZ, land reforms or land acquisition for development.

    Maoist violence claimed its highest toll of 908 in 2009, the highest yet since 1971. Pillai expected this to go up significantly in the coming years, before the state could get on top of things.

    The lack of capacities in the state was manifest in the grim fact that in all its operations so far, not more than 5% of the core armed cadres of the Maoists had been hit. "The real armed cadres are yet to come out," he said. However, in the recent past, intelligence gathering had improved significantly which led to the arrest of several key leaders.

    Maoists, Pillai said, were very meticulous in conducting their reconnaissance, attacks, and post-mortems -- pointing to some professional help, either from former soldiers or others. "Now they can bring many sectors of Indian economy to their knees. But they don't want to do it today. They know that if they do that now, the state will come very hard. They are not fully prepared to face the onslaught of the state machinery. So, they would rather go very slowly," he said.

    "They are very highly motivated, highly trained. I am quite certain that there are some, may be some ex-army or some people who have been with them," Pillai said.

  • #2
    I think part of the problem with this situation is that articles such as this one overplay certain points.

    Sure, the Naxalites are nominally Maoist, but they also have some pretty sound grievances. Just look at the level of education funding in that area of India and you will see a massive discrepancy for one example.

    People would be better advised to tackle issues like that than keep broadcasting political slogans and emotive vocabulary if they genuinely want to solve the issue.

    And as an aside, we can probably look forward to a better funded Naxalite rebellion now that the Tamil diaspora has a big wad of cash with nowhere to spend it. The Naxalites might be "maoist" but I am pretty sure they'll see them embrace capitalism when a new opportunity to train a new cadre of Tamils presents itself in return for some cash flow.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ROB View Post
      I think part of the problem with this situation is that articles such as this one overplay certain points.

      Sure, the Naxalites are nominally Maoist, but they also have some pretty sound grievances. Just look at the level of education funding in that area of India and you will see a massive discrepancy for one example.
      Nobody is denying that.The central government has admitted that growing discontentment due to negligence of the tribals is the sole reason for this insurgency.That is also the reason that a major part of the so called Operation Green Hunt involves providing a direct investment to the tribal population.

      People would be better advised to tackle issues like that than keep broadcasting political slogans and emotive vocabulary if they genuinely want to solve the issue.
      Perhaps they are thinking that if they keep on shouting maoists are bad the disaffected people will slowly return back to the main fold...and surprisingly this attitude is beginning to bear fruit in Bengal..there is now a growing disenchantment among the population which supported the maoists against them.

      Plus in India you cannot expect any issue to escape being politicised

      And as an aside, we can probably look forward to a better funded Naxalite rebellion now that the Tamil diaspora has a big wad of cash with nowhere to spend it. The Naxalites might be "maoist" but I am pretty sure they'll see them embrace capitalism when a new opportunity to train a new cadre of Tamils presents itself in return for some cash flow.

      What do you mean by this?What tamil diaspora are you talking about? Please explain

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Zaitsev View Post
        What do you mean by this?What tamil diaspora are you talking about? Please explain
        I think hes talking about resurrection of Tamil Tigers in India.
        Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
        -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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        • #5
          I think what he means to say is that tamil nadu funded the LTTE. That's like saying "india funded the LTTE". He's right about the grievances part though.

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          • #6
            He is refering to Tamils in America and London who used to make donations to LTTE.
            However these donations were not always voluntary.There have been many instances of LTTE kidnapping a person who has close relatives in these lands and asking those rich realtives to pay money for release.
            Keyboard is mightier than gun

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            • #7
              Originally posted by devgupt View Post
              many instances
              WOW. Show me.

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              • #8
                just google

                :.News Line: French court jails LTTE cadres for extortion
                Keyboard is mightier than gun

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                • #9
                  Tamil Nadu is I believe one of the more prosperous states in India..very less chance of a widespread Maoist insurgency there.

                  Anyway I agree with Rob,they have many genuine grievences...an India where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer will end up with something like the French revolution.

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                  • #10
                    i would like to ask what do they get out of it, i thought taoist religon are passive religion

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by calass View Post
                      Tamil Nadu is I believe one of the more prosperous states in India..very less chance of a widespread Maoist insurgency there.

                      Anyway I agree with Rob,they have many genuine grievences...an India where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer will end up with something like the French revolution.
                      That sounds so similar to the socilaist crap that the India "anti-globalization" brigade spouts off that it is not even funny.

                      India's resurgence will come about through letting the private sector and the people funciton and by having governance, esepcialy judical systems that enable that, not by trying to regulate people and by trying "spread the wealth", as had been the goal since independence
                      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mmoreno View Post
                        i would like to ask what do they get out of it
                        They want justice. There are many villages in india where developmental works have not reached. Regional tensions give rise to them and hence they embrace militancy. They have lost faith in democracy and hope to turn india into a communist state where the last can be first. They have huge support from the villagers. This image shows the level of there acceptance.

                        For eg: The southern part, hyderabad(or telangana) region came under maoist militancy after 1969 when many students where killed in police firing.

                        Telangana students may cross over to Maoists
                        Recounting the history of the T movement, a police officer said when all means of democratic agitations including falling victim to police bullets, formation of a new party and winning of elections in 1971, failed in achieving a new state, the students felt that there was no point in remaining loyal to law.

                        "They took up arms. That was the birth of Naxalism in Telangana. The situation looks to me similar to the 1969-1971 period. If the students see no hope in continuing with their democratic struggle, there is clear danger that they might walk into the open arms of the Maoists. But unfortunately, the government wants us to treat the T agitation as purely a law-and-order problem which it is not," the officer explained.
                        This post explains it in detail.
                        E=mc^2: Telangana 49: Naxals

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                        • #13
                          This map sort of puts into perspective the scale of the problem.

                          A significant portion of the north-south corridor (famously named the Kathmandu-Kanyakumari Red corridor by LK Advani), then Kashmir, then the seven sister states...adds up to about 40-50% of the total geographical area of India plagued either severely or moderately by insurgency.

                          And still India functions as a viable state!
                          Totalitarianism-Feudalism in new garbs

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                          • #14
                            The map is not completely right,the naxalism may have stared in Andhra but now it is not big as it was two years ago..thanks especially to the greyhounds force there.And if you are to believe this Calcutta is surrounded by naxal affected districts totally.
                            that is not the case,naxalism in Bengal is restricted to only 3-4 districts bordering Jharkand

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mmoreno View Post
                              i would like to ask what do they get out of it, i thought taoist religon are passive religion
                              We are not talking about taoism..that is a religion..we are talking about Maoism..that is a political movement

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