More than 50000 American lost their lifes in Korean War.

[Steezy]

Which brings up a question. Why did we cooperate with Joey Stalin to defeat Adolf, if Joey is worse?

I never understood why we (UK) and France only declared war against Germany when they invaded Poland but there was no declaration whatsoever against the USSR, who also invaded Poland and were infact Allied with the Nazi's at the time. I mean I...that whole bit I don't get

The US was always behind the scenes allied with the UK and would've never been on the side of Nazi Germany, and then Japan and Germany declared war against the US which brought them out onto two fronts.

[astralis]

gunnut,

check out operation unthinkable, which the brits were planning. hell, the UK/france was actively considering bombing strikes against the soviet union from the middle east prior to fighting germany.

[astralis]

back on topic,

anyway, the poster whom started this thread is interesting-- sometimes it is hard to believe there are impassioned KMT members still running around!

[gunnut]

back on topic,

anyway, the poster whom started this thread is interesting-- sometimes it is hard to believe there are impassioned KMT members still running around!

In Taiwan, probably. Just like there are actually people in Russia who want to return to communism and democrats in CA who think taxes are too low.

[gunnut]

gunnut,

check out operation unthinkable, which the brits were planning. hell, the UK/france was actively considering bombing strikes against the soviet union from the middle east prior to fighting germany.

So Hitler should have expanded eastward rather than westward. Carve up the Soviet Union and split the spoils with the British Empire and France. Germany could keep Poland and probably the European portion of the SU, and the Brits and the French could keep the central Asian portion. Ahhh...the colonial days...

[Steezy]

So Hitler should have expanded eastward rather than westward. Carve up the Soviet Union and split the spoils with the British Empire and France. Germany could keep Poland and probably the European portion of the SU, and the Brits and the French could keep the central Asian portion. Ahhh...the colonial days...

And Japan keep China

[Dreadnought]

I forgot about that little inconvenience.

It would be a good "what if..." scenario if US entered the war against the Soviet Union.

Patton had exactly that on his mind.;)

[cr9527]

I am pretty sure according to Japanese, and Russian accounts, it was the Communist side that didn't want to fight the Japanese, the Nationalists fought them with all they had. Which is why the Communists side, on many occasions weren't seen as enemies of Japan.
Mao himself even said so

"The aim is to develop the military power of the CCP, in order to stage a coup d'état. This main directive is to be strictly followed: "10% of energy on anti-Japanese, 20% of energy muddering along, 70% of energy is used to develop(political and military power). Anybody, any groups are not to oppose this paramount directive."

"Some people insisted, to show that we do love our nation, we should be more anti-Japanese, but then the nation belongs to Chiang Kai-sak, we communists, our mother-land is Soviet Union, the common mother-land of the world's communists. The aim of we communists, is to allow the Japanese to occupy more land, then a power triangle will be formed, which consisted of Chiang, Japanese and us, which is the ideal situation, the worst come to the worst, if ever Japanese occupy the whole of China, we would then still be able to fight back, with the help of the Soviet Union."

"Don't have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d'état ? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Sak? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations! "

in my opinion, the US should've just went full way, and rather than stopping at Seoul, go all the way and remove North Korea from existence. But then again... hindsight doesn't always see it all..

[Officer of Engineers]

I am pretty sure according to Japanese, and Russian accounts, it was the Communist side that didn't want to fight the Japanese, the Nationalists fought them with all they had. Which is why the Communists side, on many occasions weren't seen as enemies of Japan.

Gen Stillwell had another opinion after being denied the forces he wanted, calling CKS, a monkey's behind.

in my opinion, the US should've just went full way, and rather than stopping at Seoul, go all the way and remove North Korea from existence. But then again... hindsight doesn't always see it all..

The US did gone all the way ... right to the Yalu River and MacArthur's total misread of the Chinese (twice) forced the retreat. After that, had the Americans went north again, it would have been exactly the type of war Stalin had wanted - away from Europe.

[gunnut]

And Japan keep China

That depends on if Japan bombs Pearl. When that happens, Japan keeps nothing.

[dalem]

That depends on if Japan bombs Pearl. When that happens, Japan keeps nothing.

"-What the?!?!? Wat the fk r nuks?!?!?!"
"-Tojo has left the game."

-dale

[Blue]

Patton had exactly that on his mind.;)

I think they should have listened to Ol George more than they did. A great man, IMO.

He wanted badly to go into Russia while the tanks where still warm.

[Parihaka]

We've dealt with this before. Population decline (meaning people who were not borned) were counted as deaths in this statistic, especially for the Chinese.

Chiang Kei Shek let millions starve instead of taking on the Japanese.

And let the Japanese do what they liked while he concentrated on the communists...

[gunnut]

"-What the?!?!? Wat the fk r nuks?!?!?!"
"-Tojo has left the game."

-dale

WTF!? FDR you h4x0r!!! Where did you get that tank army? You had a depression.




Classic game.

[Skywatcher]

So Hitler should have expanded eastward rather than westward. Carve up the Soviet Union and split the spoils with the British Empire and France. Germany could keep Poland and probably the European portion of the SU, and the Brits and the French could keep the central Asian portion. Ahhh...the colonial days...

If Hitler had any brains, he would have listened to Rosenberg instead of Himmler and co opted the Slavs as fellow Aryans "in need of liberation from godless Bolshevik tyranny."

Of course, it'd still suck to be Jewish (unless Eichmann's little dream of a Jewish colony in Madagascar took off. Still pretty ****y, but beats a concentration camp, I suppose).

Fortunately Hitler decided that if you listen to idiots, listen to the biggest ones of them all.