New American Conservative movement

[Blue]

I am an offcial tea partier and by the new administrations definition, "a right wing radical extremist" along with all vets, returning soldiers, anyone with a gadsden flag or fair tax bumper sticker.

So anyone else here got up and made thier voice heard?

I think this is going to be one hell of a movement and could be the peaceful revolution some of us has been waiting for.

Of course the MSM has painted us as nuts and some CNN reporters just can't stand someone not waving the socialist flag and sheepling up to the new admin. What a moron she was.....







and then she gets sets straight, which you will never see on the MSM.....




This lady puts it quite well. We are sick and tired of the waste!!!

[crooks]

Jon Stewart put's my thinking on teabagging waaaay better than I ever could ;):

[Steezy]

Funny how during the Bush era you people kept on talking about how the protesters back then were un-American for and should "get out of the country if you don't like it so much"

And now all of a sudden you're only a real American if you protest against the government and throw tea parties etc.. and how every time you saw a protest you said "these people should get a job and contribute or get out"

And this bit:

along with all vets, returning soldiers

Nice job on painting the US Military with your brush, hell even I know vets from your country that don't wish to be associated with all the stereotypical American conservatism/republicanism.

I'm just trying to point out the sheer hypocrisy that's going on, and how all this time, nobody actually gave a shit about their country or the USA


And then all this talk about Texas seceding from the Union, because real patriotic Americans should stand up for what they believe in by seceding from the Union. It's only been a few months and already the conservative right have cracked up more than the liberal left did under Bush over 8 years

[Blue]

Funny how during the Bush era you people kept on talking about how the protesters back then were un-American for and should "get out of the country if you don't like it so much"

I didn't. And actually the libs said THEY WANTED to leave if thier Gore didn't win and then again if Kerry didn't win.

And now all of a sudden you're only a real American if you protest against the government and throw tea parties etc.. and how every time you saw a protest you said "these people should get a job and contribute or get out"

I may disagree with them but I defend thier right to protest whatever they want. As a soldier I fought for it, as a citizen I guarantee it.

And this bit:


Nice job on painting the US Military with your brush, hell even I know vets from your country that don't wish to be associated with all the stereotypical American conservatism/republicanism.

Napolitano said it, not me.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...st-recruiters/

I'm just trying to point out the sheer hypocrisy that's going on, and how all this time, nobody actually gave a shit about their country or the USA

WTF are you talking about? There is no hypocrisy I see.

And then all this talk about Texas seceding from the Union, because real patriotic Americans should stand up for what they believe in by seceding from the Union. It's only been a few months and already the conservative right have cracked up more than the liberal left did under Bush over 8 years

Umm...what?!?!

[astralis]

7thsf,

Napolitano said it, not me.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...st-recruiters/

i think this topic has been beaten to death, but people are just using a report drafted by mid-level bureaucrats most likely appointed in the bush administration as an excuse to claim some sort of obama anti-military bias. it's pretty ridiculous to me, considering how many people in DHS are ex-military.

[Blue]

i think this topic has been beaten to death, but people are just using a report drafted by mid-level bureaucrats most likely appointed in the bush administration as an excuse to claim some sort of obama anti-military bias. it's pretty ridiculous to me, considering how many people in DHS are ex-military.

It is ridiculous. Its ridiculous that they paint Tax and govt waste protesters as right wing extremists.

And of course there are lots of ex-mils in DHS, where else are you going to get those kind of people?

The statement reads plain as written IMO though. I think it is a direct slam to vets that we are so weak minded as to be recruited or "drawn in" to an extremist group. And I really don't think there are many Tim McVeighs running around out there. Furthermore they mentioned that militias are extremists. I firmly believe in the militia movement. Want to know what the Missouri Militia does? Go to their website. No secrets there. They are concerned citizens that assist Law enforcement when people are missing or disasters strike. No plans for violence or coups. I realize that a couple militias have been linked to violence but they are fringe groups and would promptly be booted out of and reported to authorities by a legitimate, law-abiding militia.

I'm sorry if you feel this topic has been to death. I did not find a thread that covered this yet and thought the topic threadworthy when around 6 million Americans protest simultaneously across the country, but what do I know. Of course it seems to have been deemed not a big deal by the MSM and the whitehouse since the press secretary said the prez wasn't really aware of the TEA partys. (Hmm...really keepin in touch with the people there Barry.)

[astralis]

7thsf,

It is ridiculous. Its ridiculous that they paint Tax and govt waste protesters as right wing extremists.

i think this is part of the misunderstanding (or less benevolently, twisting). if you look at the report:

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/m...m-09-04-07.pdf

(U//FOUO) Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and
anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States. Prominent
antigovernment conspiracy theorists have incorporated aspects of an impending
economic collapse to intensify fear and paranoia among like-minded individuals and to
attract recruits during times of economic uncertainty. Conspiracy theories involving
declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the
U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of
a failed economy. Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “end times” prophecies could
motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons.
These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist
individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and
extremist members of the militia movement.

nowhere does it say that a belief in low taxes and being anti-government waste (who is "pro" government waste, anyway?) makes you a right-wing extremist. on the other hand, it's quite possible, maybe even probable, to find these ideas among right-wing extremists.

The statement reads plain as written IMO though. I think it is a direct slam to vets that we are so weak minded as to be recruited or "drawn in" to an extremist group.

it doesn't say vets are particularly vulnerable to recruiting, just that there is extremist interest in recruiting-- and that conditions are easier (NOT easy) now to recruit now than in the past.

DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and
radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from
military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the
capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out
violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist
groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from
the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

Furthermore they mentioned that militias are extremists.

they clearly make a delineation between the movement itself and the extremists within the movement.

— (U//FOUO) Fear of Communist regimes and related conspiracy theories
characterizing the U.S. Government’s role as either complicit in a foreign
invasion or acquiescing as part of a “One World Government” plan inspired
extremist members of the militia movement to target government and military
facilities in past years.
— (U//FOUO) Law enforcement in 1996 arrested three rightwing militia members
in Battle Creek, Michigan with pipe bombs, automatic weapons, and military ordnance that they planned to use in attacks on nearby military and federal
facilities and infrastructure targets.

I'm sorry if you feel this topic has been to death. I did not find a thread that covered this yet and thought the topic threadworthy when around 6 million Americans protest simultaneously across the country, but what do I know.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=50664

it seems clear to me that DHS is talking about the threat arising from violent members of EXTREMIST groups, not trying to re-define the whole right-wing as extreme. knowing how long these reports take to fashion, this report was almost certainly ordered and written under the bush administration.

[gunnut]

Funny how during the Bush era you people kept on talking about how the protesters back then were un-American for and should "get out of the country if you don't like it so much"

And now all of a sudden you're only a real American if you protest against the government and throw tea parties etc.. and how every time you saw a protest you said "these people should get a job and contribute or get out"

Because protesting war is unamerican. How many wars have we fought? We love wars. We fight a war every 10 years. How can you protest that and still call yourself an American?

Protesting taxes IS American. We fought a war over taxes....why....I believe that was against you lot. :)) There's no action more American than protesting taxes.

[astralis]

gunnut,

next you'll be saying "there is no more american activity than tea-bagging"....

[gunnut]

gunnut,

next you'll be saying "there is no more american activity than tea-bagging"....

I thought tea-bagging is a universal activity...

[Roosveltrepub]

I think the movement looks ridiculous to the mainstream. I wonder how many of the people who showed actually pay any FICA taxes. More people will show up for eco crazy earth day if it's sunny

[Ironduke]

I am an offcial tea partier and by the new administrations definition, "a right wing radical extremist" along with all vets, returning soldiers, anyone with a gadsden flag or fair tax bumper sticker.

So anyone else here got up and made thier voice heard?

I think this is going to be one hell of a movement and could be the peaceful revolution some of us has been waiting for.

Of course the MSM has painted us as nuts and some CNN reporters just can't stand someone not waving the socialist flag and sheepling up to the new admin. What a moron she was.....

I understand that CNN is cherry-picking the crowd for the nuts, but to be frank the call with the "Obama's a fascist" sign was way over the top. I'm not taking the position that "it's offensive" to Obama -- frankly I don't care about that. Somehow I seriously doubt that guy could even define what a fascist actually is -- and it's just as stupid and nutty and people with the "Bushitler" signs. Aren't there bad enough things that can already be said about his policies without resorting to calling him a fascist? Though I'm opposed to high government spending and high taxation, I'd be embarrassed to show up at one of these events and get photographed or videotaped standing next to a person like that.

I think it's best to reserve the use of the term "fascist" to describe things that can actually be defined as fascist. Hitler, Mussolini, the Falangists, and perhaps Franco or Peron can be termed as fascist.

[Parihaka]

I think it's best to reserve the use of the term "fascist" to describe things that can actually be defined as fascist. Hitler, Mussolini, the Falangists, and perhaps Franco or Peron can be termed as fascist.

Amen.

[Oscar]

I think it's best to reserve the use of the term "fascist" to describe things that can actually be defined as fascist. Hitler, Mussolini, the Falangists, and perhaps Franco or Peron can be termed as fascist.

The problem is that historians don't agree on a commonly accepted definition of what is fascism. Thats why everyone calls the others fascist when they feel their rights are being infriged. Even Peron in your case is questionned as belonging to this category.

Thats why Jonas Goldberg can call the Democrats fascist.

[Ironduke]

The problem is that historians don't agree on a commonly accepted definition of what is fascism. Thats why everyone calls the others fascist when they feel their rights are being infriged. Even Peron in your case is questionned as belonging to this category.

Thats why Jonas Goldberg can call the Democrats fascist.

Even if there is argument over what exactly fascism is, I think it's rather clear what it is not. Belligerent nationalism, corporatism, and repression of all views not consistent with the ideology of an authoritarian single-party state can be accepted as minimally defining what constitutes a fascist state.