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    Is next US war crime imminent?

    On March 30, the Russian News & Information Agency, Novosti, cited “a high-ranking security source: “The latest military intelligence data point to heightened US military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran.”

    RIA Novosti - Russia - Russian intelligence sees U.S. military buildup on Iran border

    According to Novosti, Russian Colonel General Leonid Ivashov said “that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran’s military infrastructure in the near future.”

    The chief of Russia’s general staff, Yuri Baluyevsky, said last November that Russia was beefing up its military in response to US aggression, but that the Russian military is not “obliged to defend the world from the evil Americans.”

    Moscow News - National - Russia's Army to Be "Leaner but Meaner" - Chief of Staff

    On March 29, OpEdNews cited a report by the Saudi Arabian newspaper Okaz, which was picked up by the German news service, DPA. The Saudi newspaper reported on March 22, the day following Cheney’s visit with the kingdom’s rulers, that the Saudi Shura Council is preparing “national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom following experts’ warnings of possible attacks on Iran’s Bushehr nuclear reactors.”

    Empire Burlesque 1.0: Worried Yet? Saudis Prepare for "Sudden Nuclear Hazards" After Cheney Visit

    And Admiral William “there will be no attack on Iran on my watch” Fallon has been removed as US chief of Central Command, thus clearing the way for Cheney’s planned attack on Iran.

    The Iranians don’t seem to believe it, despite the dispatch of US nuclear submarines and another aircraft carrier attack group to the Persian Gulf. To counter any Iranian missiles launched in response to an attack, the US is deploying anti-missile defenses to protect US bases and Saudi oil fields.

    If an American president can start a war exactly as Adolf Hitler did with pure lies and not be held accountable, he can get away with anything.

    Hitler launched World War II with his invasion of Poland after staging a “Polish attack” on a German radio station. On the night of August 31, 1939, a group of Nazis disguised in Polish uniforms seized a radio station in Germany. Hitler announced that “last night Polish troops crossed the frontier and attacked Germany,” a claim no more true than the Bush Regime’s claim that “Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Hitler’s lie failed, because his invasion of Poland, which began the next day allegedly in reprisal for the Polish attack, had obviously been planned for many months.

    Iran has attacked no one. It is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Iran is permitted by the treaty to have a nuclear energy program. The Bush Regime’s case against Iran is based on the Bush Regime’s desire to deny Iran its rights under the treaty.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors have repeatedly reported that they have found no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Despite all the disinformation from US Gen. Petraeus and other Bush Regime military lackeys, Iran is not arming the Iraqis who are resisting the American occupation.

    If Iran were arming insurgents, the insurgents would have two weapons that would neutralize the US advantage in the Iraqi conflict: missiles to knock down US helicopter gunships and rocket-propelled grenades that knock out American tanks. The insurgents do not have these weapons and must construct clumsy anti-tank weapons out of artillery shells. The insurgents are helpless against US air power and cannot mass forces to take on the American troops.

    Just as the world could not believe Hitler’s next horror and thus was always unprepared, the Iranians despite all the evidence cannot believe that even the Great Satan would gratuitously attack Iran based on nothing but lies about non-existent nuclear weapons.

    Iran’s only chance would be to strike before the US delivers the first blow. Instead of using its missiles to take out the Saudi oil fields and to sink the US aircraft carriers, instead of closing the Strait of Hormuz, instead of arming the Iraqi Shi’ites and moving them to insurgency, Iran is perched like a sitting duck in denial even as the US and its Iraqi puppet Maliki move to eliminate Al Sadr’s Iraqi Shi’ite militia in order to avoid supply disruptions and a Shi’ite rebellion in Iraq when the US attack on Iran comes.

    It is important to emphasize that Iran is making no moves toward war. Having tamed, blackmailed, and purchased Congress, the US media, and US allies and puppets, Cheney might delight in the arrogance with which he can now attack Iran free of any restraint or fabricated provocation. On the other hand, he might cover himself by orchestrating an “Iranian provocation” to justify his attack as a response. But like Hitler’s planned attack against Poland, Cheney’s attack on Iran has long been in the works.

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    I'm not sure comparing cheney with hitler is very wise..anyway the Americans are too busy right now in iraq and afghanistan to seriously consider an attack against Iran, even an air strike. It would only complicate an already difficult situation

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oscar View Post
      I'm not sure comparing cheney with hitler is very wise
      They seem quite comparable to me. It's not my intention to offend or upset anyone.

      Originally posted by Oscar View Post
      ..anyway the Americans are too busy right now in iraq and afghanistan to seriously consider an attack against Iran, even an air strike. It would only complicate an already difficult situation
      It might be posturing. It might not be. I know Bush is running out of time.

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      • #4
        .It might be posturing. It might not be. I know Bush is running out of time.[/QUOTE]

        He's running out of credibility too. He's too weak politically to order any sort of military intervention. But if Mac cain gets elected things could turn sour for Iran that's for sure:)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WorldCitizen View Post
          Is next US war crime imminent?

          On March 30, the Russian News & Information Agency, Novosti, cited “a high-ranking security source: “The latest military intelligence data point to heightened US military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran.”

          RIA Novosti - Russia - Russian intelligence sees U.S. military buildup on Iran border

          According to Novosti, Russian Colonel General Leonid Ivashov said “that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran’s military infrastructure in the near future.”

          The chief of Russia’s general staff, Yuri Baluyevsky, said last November that Russia was beefing up its military in response to US aggression, but that the Russian military is not “obliged to defend the world from the evil Americans.”

          Moscow News - National - Russia's Army to Be "Leaner but Meaner" - Chief of Staff

          On March 29, OpEdNews cited a report by the Saudi Arabian newspaper Okaz, which was picked up by the German news service, DPA. The Saudi newspaper reported on March 22, the day following Cheney’s visit with the kingdom’s rulers, that the Saudi Shura Council is preparing “national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom following experts’ warnings of possible attacks on Iran’s Bushehr nuclear reactors.”

          Empire Burlesque 1.0: Worried Yet? Saudis Prepare for "Sudden Nuclear Hazards" After Cheney Visit

          And Admiral William “there will be no attack on Iran on my watch” Fallon has been removed as US chief of Central Command, thus clearing the way for Cheney’s planned attack on Iran.

          The Iranians don’t seem to believe it, despite the dispatch of US nuclear submarines and another aircraft carrier attack group to the Persian Gulf. To counter any Iranian missiles launched in response to an attack, the US is deploying anti-missile defenses to protect US bases and Saudi oil fields.

          If an American president can start a war exactly as Adolf Hitler did with pure lies and not be held accountable, he can get away with anything.

          Hitler launched World War II with his invasion of Poland after staging a “Polish attack” on a German radio station. On the night of August 31, 1939, a group of Nazis disguised in Polish uniforms seized a radio station in Germany. Hitler announced that “last night Polish troops crossed the frontier and attacked Germany,” a claim no more true than the Bush Regime’s claim that “Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Hitler’s lie failed, because his invasion of Poland, which began the next day allegedly in reprisal for the Polish attack, had obviously been planned for many months.

          Iran has attacked no one. It is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Iran is permitted by the treaty to have a nuclear energy program. The Bush Regime’s case against Iran is based on the Bush Regime’s desire to deny Iran its rights under the treaty.

          The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors have repeatedly reported that they have found no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Despite all the disinformation from US Gen. Petraeus and other Bush Regime military lackeys, Iran is not arming the Iraqis who are resisting the American occupation.

          If Iran were arming insurgents, the insurgents would have two weapons that would neutralize the US advantage in the Iraqi conflict: missiles to knock down US helicopter gunships and rocket-propelled grenades that knock out American tanks. The insurgents do not have these weapons and must construct clumsy anti-tank weapons out of artillery shells. The insurgents are helpless against US air power and cannot mass forces to take on the American troops.

          Just as the world could not believe Hitler’s next horror and thus was always unprepared, the Iranians despite all the evidence cannot believe that even the Great Satan would gratuitously attack Iran based on nothing but lies about non-existent nuclear weapons.

          Iran’s only chance would be to strike before the US delivers the first blow. Instead of using its missiles to take out the Saudi oil fields and to sink the US aircraft carriers, instead of closing the Strait of Hormuz, instead of arming the Iraqi Shi’ites and moving them to insurgency, Iran is perched like a sitting duck in denial even as the US and its Iraqi puppet Maliki move to eliminate Al Sadr’s Iraqi Shi’ite militia in order to avoid supply disruptions and a Shi’ite rebellion in Iraq when the US attack on Iran comes.

          It is important to emphasize that Iran is making no moves toward war. Having tamed, blackmailed, and purchased Congress, the US media, and US allies and puppets, Cheney might delight in the arrogance with which he can now attack Iran free of any restraint or fabricated provocation. On the other hand, he might cover himself by orchestrating an “Iranian provocation” to justify his attack as a response. But like Hitler’s planned attack against Poland, Cheney’s attack on Iran has long been in the works.
          Sir you are doing nothing more then flame baiting.And obviously dont know much about the U.S. its government nor its people.And especially its reasoning for going to war

          Keep up the flame baiting and very soon you wont be among the WAB much longer.;)
          Last edited by Dreadnought; 01 Apr 08,, 14:48.
          Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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          • #6
            And Maliki is a strange american puppet (state visit for ahmaninedjad..) maybe a possessed puppet?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oscar View Post
              And Maliki is a strange american puppet (state visit for ahmaninedjad..) maybe a possessed puppet?
              American puppet elected by his own people?
              I guess that makes everybody an American puppet then correct?

              Oh thats right unless you are Russian. Then you can be Tzar for life even if not elected by the people.
              Last edited by Dreadnought; 01 Apr 08,, 14:52.
              Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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              • #8
                Seriously Maliki will never support an American intervention against Iran that would be a political suicide for him. Iran is pulling the strings in Iraq now just like Syria for Lebanon.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Oscar View Post
                  Seriously Maliki will never support an American intervention against Iran that would be a political suicide for him. Iran is pulling the strings in Iraq now just like Syria for Lebanon.
                  Seriously, I doubt that. It will only be a matter of time before Iraq recognizes Sadir is on the Iranian side and then it will be an all out confrontation between his army and US & Allied forces. One which he will certainly loose.

                  Do you think the U.S. & Allies will stop the raids because his army is off the streets? Better think again.:))

                  Iraqis pull the strings.;)
                  Last edited by Dreadnought; 01 Apr 08,, 15:07.
                  Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                    Sir you are doing nothing more then flame baiting.And obviously dont know much about the U.S. its government nor its people.And especially its reasoning for going to war

                    Keep up the flame baiting and very soon you wont be among the WAB much longer.;)
                    Hi Dreadnought, it's not my intention to offend. I don't know as much about the US as I would like, but I'm here to learn, and maybe debate ;)

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                    • #11
                      Sadr an iranian puppet? He's anti american and shia ok but I believe he's a nationalist.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oscar View Post
                        Sadr an iranian puppet? He's anti american and shia ok but I believe he's a nationalist.
                        He also spends quite sometime in Iran. Where do you think he has been all this quiet time. He wants/needs Iranian support not only for backing but also for training his army and weapons.;)
                        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by WorldCitizen View Post
                          It might be posturing. It might not be. I know Bush is running out of time.
                          Bush has plenty of time, and so does McCain/Obama/Clinton.

                          The key dates that might force action would be the 2009 Election. In spite of what you have been led to believe, the presidencies of Iran and the US are not similar. The Iranian presidency is more akin to the German presidency, and in Germany, it is the chancellor that has the power, not the president. Still, a moderate will probably be elected, which would put the US in the position it was in before, with the moderate Khatami. It's hard to make war against a moderate. Ahmadinejad won't be re-elected because of his poor handling of domestic issues (the gasoline rationing to reduce domestic consumption of oil isn't very popular).

                          Another key date would be the operation of the unified military command for the Caspian Sea states, Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. The US would want to act before the unified command becomes active, units are selected and identified, and start training together on field exercises. The five state Caspian Sea Treaty has a clause similar to the NATO Charter's mutual defense clause, where an attack on one state is an attack on all members.

                          The other key date would be the final negotiations for a Russian naval base in the Persian Gulf and the start of construction. The US requires unchallenged access to the Persian Gulf, and a Russian surface group and a few submarine squadrons would hamper the ability of the US to conduct operations against Iran, which is a critical piece of real estate the US needs to be successful in its geo-political strategy.

                          You seem to also be quite misinformed. Bush might leave and take a few neo-conservatives with him, but there will still be 10s of thousands of neo-conservatives in career bureaucrat positions making policy and guiding the next president, and you don't seem to realize that both Clinton and Obama have neo-conservatives on their campaign staffs now. Obama's foreign policy advisor is neo-conservative Anthony Lake, Clinton's former national security advisor and an unsuccessful nominee as Director CIA. He failed to be nominated because he arranged an arms deal between Iran and Bosnia and then lied about it to Congress.

                          The point is, getting rid of Bush will not get rid of the neo-cons, nor will it change US geo-strategy. The neo-cons were there before Bush was even governor of Texas, they'll be there long after Bush is gone, and the Three Stooges will bring in more neo-cons.

                          There'll be plenty of opportunities (and reasons) for the US to attack Iran for the next president, if Bush doesn't.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zemco View Post
                            Bush has plenty of time, and so does McCain/Obama/Clinton.

                            The key dates that might force action would be the 2009 Election. In spite of what you have been led to believe, the presidencies of Iran and the US are not similar. The Iranian presidency is more akin to the German presidency, and in Germany, it is the chancellor that has the power, not the president. Still, a moderate will probably be elected, which would put the US in the position it was in before, with the moderate Khatami. It's hard to make war against a moderate. Ahmadinejad won't be re-elected because of his poor handling of domestic issues (the gasoline rationing to reduce domestic consumption of oil isn't very popular).

                            Another key date would be the operation of the unified military command for the Caspian Sea states, Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. The US would want to act before the unified command becomes active, units are selected and identified, and start training together on field exercises. The five state Caspian Sea Treaty has a clause similar to the NATO Charter's mutual defense clause, where an attack on one state is an attack on all members.

                            The other key date would be the final negotiations for a Russian naval base in the Persian Gulf and the start of construction. The US requires unchallenged access to the Persian Gulf, and a Russian surface group and a few submarine squadrons would hamper the ability of the US to conduct operations against Iran, which is a critical piece of real estate the US needs to be successful in its geo-political strategy.

                            You seem to also be quite misinformed. Bush might leave and take a few neo-conservatives with him, but there will still be 10s of thousands of neo-conservatives in career bureaucrat positions making policy and guiding the next president, and you don't seem to realize that both Clinton and Obama have neo-conservatives on their campaign staffs now. Obama's foreign policy advisor is neo-conservative Anthony Lake, Clinton's former national security advisor and an unsuccessful nominee as Director CIA. He failed to be nominated because he arranged an arms deal between Iran and Bosnia and then lied about it to Congress.

                            The point is, getting rid of Bush will not get rid of the neo-cons, nor will it change US geo-strategy. The neo-cons were there before Bush was even governor of Texas, they'll be there long after Bush is gone, and the Three Stooges will bring in more neo-cons.

                            There'll be plenty of opportunities (and reasons) for the US to attack Iran for the next president, if Bush doesn't.
                            Good Post Zemco. Most dont realize that this started long ago before Bush. But since he is the sitting U.S. President most like to point the finger at him.
                            Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                            • #15
                              Wow, called evil by a former Soviet general, that really hurts.

                              I wonder if he will be fired for citing BS intelligence in public when the promised American attack fails to materialize.

                              While I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the US is about to attack Iran, make no mistake that its involvement in Iraq completely eliminates a military strike as an option. Of course, that doesn't mean that there would not be domestic and international diplomatic consequences for a strike, but it is possible.

                              I would not hold my breath for a treaty obligating Russia to defend Iran. I do see every effort to make the former Soviet "republics" entirely dependant on mother Russia again, but inclusion of Iran would only be as a puppet, something I suspect Iran has no intention of becoming despite Russian desires.

                              The construction of a Russian naval base in the Persian Gulf would be fun to watch. I would love to see how well Iran tolerates a bunch of drunk Russian sailors running around Chah Bahar or Bandar Abbas. Russians are famous for their cultural sensitivity for Muslims It would be nice to see the Russian Navy capable of conducting sustained global operations again. The US would probably be able to find many areas where we can cooperate, like during RIMPAC 2008 or more Search and Rescue operations. Why would Russia want to place Russian lives at risk defending Iran again? I must have missed that...

                              You are right on one thing, the U.S. will continue to have an intervensionist foreign policy. Both parties agree on that, even if they don't agree on where to intervene. That does not mean the democrats (or even McCain) is likely to conduct military strikes on Iran, but neither will they go to Tehran and apologize for all past sins and start handing out nuclear reactor and hard currency either...:P
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