Carrier group penetration?

[T_igger_cs_30]

in seas two kinds naval ships subs and targets

heard this before,not being a Naval type but this has always intriqued me I accept the devastation they can do to merchant ships, but I have never heard of a sub taking a Carrier........has this happened ever?

[Officer of Engineers]

Only in exercises.

[glyn]

heard this before,not being a Naval type but this has always intriqued me I accept the devastation they can do to merchant ships, but I have never heard of a sub taking a Carrier........has this happened ever?

At least two British carriers were lost to U-boats in WW2. HMS Ark Royal and HMS Courageous.

[BadKharma]

At least two British carriers were lost to U-boats in WW2. HMS Ark Royal and HMS Courageous.

Also the damaged Yorktown after the Battle of Midway.

[IDonT]

heard this before,not being a Naval type but this has always intriqued me I accept the devastation they can do to merchant ships, but I have never heard of a sub taking a Carrier........has this happened ever?

USS Wasp sunk by IJN submarine I-19 in September 1942.

[Maxor]

I vote sub but it would take a bit of craziness and willingness to loose the sub.

A number of the smaller straights are within the capabilities for modern torpedo's to hit a ship anywhere in the straight from the middle of it. Some of these transits are also fairly public knowledge at least a few days before the ship actually passes through. If you don't mind loosing the sub you could have it sitting motionless on the bottom of the Strait of Hormuz maybe keeping steerage maybe not. With all the bottom clutter about there it really won't show up on active sonar as anything special, and on passive because its doing nothing it makes no sound. Firing a full spread of torpeado's it'll get off two spreads before it is cracked and dead which will probably take out the carrier and some other ship. Now being there is is questionable or possible if the carrier could be grounded and save itself.


This is within the capabilites of anyone that can operate even fairly badly a deisal electric sub.

[Master Chief]

Hypothetical sitiuation, you have the carrier and its battle group. I would stage a air diversion. Make it look like they were setting up a attack on the carrier, maybe even try a attack with ASM's then have the SSk's move in for the torpedo attack, and the SSGN launch from a little distance. Something should get threw all of the carrier, and escorts defence systtems. But then again this take up alot of aircraft and subs. Not many nations have the resources to do this. maybe add in a few fast missile boats, with ASM's.

[omon]

ships are worthless without the crew.
why not chem or bio missle, lunch 10-15 missles, 3 or 4 with payload, the rest decoy. don,t need direct hit, detonation abve the group will do the trick.
cuz i,m sure the group will be carefully watching radars, sonars, expecting subs or planes,

[Bella]

Hypothetical sitiuation, you have the carrier and its battle group. I would stage a air diversion. Make it look like they were setting up a attack on the carrier, maybe even try a attack with ASM's then have the SSk's move in for the torpedo attack, and the SSGN launch from a little distance. Something should get threw all of the carrier, and escorts defence systtems. But then again this take up alot of aircraft and subs. Not many nations have the resources to do this. maybe add in a few fast missile boats, with ASM's.

True Master Chief!!!!!!, but if you thought of that, and I as well..............
wouldn't the U.S. navy??
With all due respect..........I believe using decoys against a well trained and organized force is useless.
In a way........It's like launching a satellite into obit using a ballistic missile.
It's done all the time for many countries, but these countries track them and there trajectory and act accordingly.
If I was a captain of a naval fleet, and I was attacked aggressively from the front door...........I would definitely be checking the back just in case!!
I'm not no naval expert, but doesn't the U.S. Navy have separate defenses?
My guess is that the Navy has people that monitor air, surface, and sub-surface threats..........
I don't' know........I'm just guessing!

Thanks!!

[Master Chief]

Yes, I know for a fact they have, but during all the disaray maybe someone will make a mistake. See for the longest time this is how the russian would have tryed to take out a carrier. And my point is its never been tested in real life and hopefully never will. I guess if thats what they came up with it might stand a chance. That one platform alone can't do it alone. With at least a little help for one of the others.

[Bella]

Yes, I know for a fact they have, but during all the disaray maybe someone will make a mistake. See for the longest time this is how the russian would have tryed to take out a carrier. And my point is its never been tested in real life and hopefully never will. I guess if thats what they came up with it might stand a chance. That one platform alone can't do it alone. With at least a little help for one of the others.

I gotcha! I also see your point........during a wartime scenario things do get hectic and a sub could be over looked during the confusion.

Thanks Master Chief!!

[JMH]

Currently, budget cuts is the best way to attack an aircraft carrier.

[gamercube]

Is this the incident that's being referred to?

The Public Affairs Magazine- Newsinsight.net

Three submarines damaged by earthquake

30 December 2004: Three submarines of the Indian, US and Chinese navies were damaged by the earthquake off Sumatra that triggered of killer tsunamis in Asia, and while two submarines have returned to their bases, there is no intelligence on the Chinese vessel.

Top sources said that while the American submarine was the first to record the intensity of the tremor, because of advanced sonographic sensors, and dashed off nearly ten messages to its headquarters in California and Pacific base in Hawaii, the Indian vessel was to first to identify the earthquake, but its signal to its mainland base did not produce realtime reaction.

“Both the US and Chinese submarines reported a ‘strange undersea development’,” said a diplomat, “but only the Indian submarine got it right the first time, but its base could not react fast enough, and if it had, the tragedy of such proportions could have been minimised.”

Diplomats say that all three submarines were in the vicinity of the epicentre, and that they could have been flipped over by the quake, suffering damages in the process.

What happened to the Chinese sub? Could the US and Indian subs have jointly attacked it for some reason?

[Officer of Engineers]

What happened to the Chinese sub? Could the US and Indian subs have jointly attacked it for some reason?

Don't jump to conclusions. All the article said is that they don't know what happened. The Chinese sub went home without anyone detecting it doing so. People were busy with a lot of other things if you remember.

[gamercube]

But is there more to the story? What were Indian, Chinese and US subs doing in Indonesian waters? Who was following who? Did the Indian and US subs lose track of the Chinese sub after the earthquake?