15 UK sailors captured at gunpoint

[T_igger_cs_30]

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Congragulation must be forwarded to you as well, Mr Propoganda Minister, for the timely release of that picture that is obviously meant to deviate public opinion. Much like the story of Huns (Germans) bayonneting babies in WWI or the Saddam Hussein killing Kuwaiti babies.

Barry Zweiker: Gulf War 1 lies: conspiracy to gain support for the Gulf War 1 - Google Video

Ofcourse your mind is set with the notion of good and evil, therefore is no need to discuss anyfurther. As far as the posed question, I was just confirming that it was execrable, and not the BBC News that felt changing "Arabian Gulf" to "Gulf". You got a problem with that? .. I think not. As far as your propoganda picture goes, I am sure that your humble Office is aware that it that is the picture of Iranians being hanged not British. I am sure the treatment of the captured British is 100 times better than those in X-Camp.

The gloves are off ..................you ****ing idiot

[T_igger_cs_30]

Perhapes not as stupid as yourself. Have you notice that?

Yes, Iran is a human rights abuser, and yes it is responsbile for many crimes both within and outside. These are facts and not fiction. However, it is in my opinion that they will not torture the Brits they've "pickedup". Ofcourse you have your own opinion, and believe it or not I respect that, and leave it at that.

The only way they will not abuse them is because they realise already that they have gone to far.........if they think they can win ........they will.......but its to late

[T_igger_cs_30]

have the guts to

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First you called me a "stupid person", now you are calling me "pile of excrement". Though, I would never bother respond such people, I will respond to you one last time, only because I think you are misunderstanding me, rather just showing your true American colors.

There is something here that you dont get. The way I see it, because in this forum I support everything that Iran does, in your great black-and-white logic, I must be pro-Islamic regime. You have absolutly no idea who I am and what I do and what are my actual political views. Dont assume anything. I never liked the regime in Iran, hated their crimes, hated the fact how they manage to throw away their best assets (children) by making the nation unbearable for them. My familly never had ties to any of the two regimes, but we damn well came to Canada for a reason: The corruption and the brutallity of the current regime. However, that doesnt mean that I will kiss United States ass in their plans to put a regime change in Iran or their military strikes. I am an Iranian, it is my duty to protect Iran the best way I can. The current regime in Iran, that is an inside-Iranian problem not yours. So **** off.

So because you didnt have the guts to stay and fight against it ...you run away and then defend them .........you **** off ..............have the courage of your convictions or stay quiet

[T_igger_cs_30]

I admit I have had a few "single malts today..............I had no idea this was going on ...............given the current climate of the world, and the **** that Britain and the US are taking from our other so called allies.............well its time.........if My government do not react to this in the right way I will be ashamed to be British........never mind Maggie............where is Winston when we really need him ............if he was around it would be so diffent RIP I think not

[Bluesman]

Iran should lose a Navy for this. ALL of it.

[TopHatter]

I'm a little late to this party, but let's all simmer down some, please?

[JMH]

Xerxes plans to attack again?

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First you called me a "stupid person", now you are calling me "pile of excrement". Though, I would never bother respond such people, I will respond to you one last time, only because I think you are misunderstanding me, rather just showing your true American colors.

There is something here that you dont get. The way I see it, because in this forum I support everything that Iran does, in your great black-and-white logic, I must be pro-Islamic regime. You have absolutly no idea who I am and what I do and what are my actual political views. Dont assume anything. I never liked the regime in Iran, hated their crimes, hated the fact how they manage to throw away their best assets (children) by making the nation unbearable for them. My familly never had ties to any of the two regimes, but we damn well came to Canada for a reason: The corruption and the brutallity of the current regime. However, that doesnt mean that I will kiss United States ass in their plans to put a regime change in Iran or their military strikes. I am an Iranian, it is my duty to protect Iran the best way I can. The current regime in Iran, that is an inside-Iranian problem not yours. So **** off.

If you care so much about Iran, why did you run away to Canada, why did you not stay and fight to liberate your country from the Mad Mullahs that control it? How many innocent Iranians have to die until the Iranian people rise up and liberate themselves? Did millions of American's flee to Canada to avoid the American Civil war? No they stayed and fought it to its bloody finish. You criticize the US yet you benefit from the democratic ideals that spread from the US to Canada and live under the protection of Canadian law which is based on those ideals, the most fundamental of which is that every human life is unique and precious and must be protected. You say that Iran's problems are not the world's problems? What planet have you been on? President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has stated that the Holocaust did not occur and Israel needs to be wiped off the map, while at the same time Iran is working towards the development of nuclear weapons. Do you have any idea how dangerous this is? Israel, ALREADY HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS and the means to deliver those NUCLEAR weapons in a massive NUCLEAR strike on IRAN. Fifty Israeli nuclear tipped Jericho III IRBM's striking Iranian cities could kill more than 25 million people, 25 MILLION people, that is why it would be better to go to war with Iran than sit by and watch Iran develop Nuclear weapons.

The Iranian president has even managed to anger the morally confused European Union, which in itself should tell how much of an international threat Iran has become. Now in the middle of a war in Iraq where Iranian agents have armed insurgents with powerful, sophisticated Explosively Formed Projectiles which have been used to kill American and British troops, the US has concentrated overwhelming firepower in the Arabian Sea, while the UN prepares to vote for increased sanctions against Iran, what does Iran do? Kidnap British Sailors and Marines, how stupid are these MAD Mullahs in Iran, do they have any idea how devastating a strike from two USN Carrier Strike groups plus USAF heavy bombers would be against Iran? They probably do and they are hoping that the US will strike so that they can rally the Iranian people behind suicidal war of Martyrdom against the US and all Western countries. Well, Xerxes, in honour of your screen name, perhaps you should check out some history books, from your local library and read about what happened to the Persian (Iranian) forces of the real Xerxes in the battles of Thermopylae and Salamis. The current Iranian anti-western campaign will not be nearly as successful as that disastrous Persian campaign and the Iranians could in fact suffer greater casualties if a Nuclear/chemical weapons exchange takes place.

[InfiniteDreams]

Xerxes,

The beef the west has is not with the Iranian people it's with the wacky goverment that's running the country. No one in their right might wants to see a country that imposes sharia and with human rights abuses on that blatant of a scale become a nuclear weapon state. No one except for you...

Your the one that's supports a nuclear armed iran yet your living half a world in Canada away for the exact same reasons we don't want them getting the bomb.

How can one take you seriously?

You don't have a leg to stand on.

You attempt justify your position and support for Iran by stating the duplicity with which previous goverments, states, and dictators have conducted themselves currently and throughout history but it's irrellevent to the issue at hand.

You have a solid knowledge history and your good at making transparent the duplcity in which goverments operate. And though some of your arguments on WAB have merit they are complelety irrevelent with regard Iran especially the issue of iranian nuclear proliferation.

[smilingassassin]

Why do I get the sneeking suspicion that if 15 American Sailors/Marines were captured the general opinion of the world comunity would be that "the U.S. was asking for trouble"?

Would we see the world comunity rally behind their release?

...and I don't say this to make our British freinds look bad, far from it, I think we should back them in this issue 110%, but would we continue to see the "Anti-Americanism" that seems to be rampant in this world today?

[TheChosenOne]

I sheet my drawers....ohhh boy, this is not good news for the likes of my fellow soldiers and I already in Iraq. I've been on edge ever since the Isreal-Lebanon conflict thinking this whole region is going to explode like a keg of powder. Not to mention the internals of Pakistan. Now Iran goes out and does something stupid like this? I may just end up over here much longer then I thought while I get trucked across the Iranian border to fight against another crazy regime.

I think Iran likes kidnapping people. They seem to get a kick out of it for the last 25 years. I say air strikes against military targets is a sufficient response. And no matter what Iran says, I'm sorry, you can't mistakenly board a boat like that and abduct British Marines without knowing what you are doing or without orders from higher people then yourself.

Like Bluesman said, it was probably a target of oppurtunity but I'd say it was put down by Iranain leadership to do something of the sort.

In response to Xerxes,

I ask you one question. When has the US gone into Iran and kidnapped people? You try to justify the actions of Iran in response to the US detaining Iranian consulates? There can be no parrellel justified between the two. We know what Iran is doing in regards to the Iraq conflict. Let me tell you something about detaining someone. There must be credible reason to do so, even in war! And if they are found to be innocent or insuficient evidence, they are let go! There was credible reason to detain those consulates whether someone disagrees or not. I forgot, you've never lived a life of knowing what that is like until you moved to Canada. Being arrested because a real rule of law exists unlike Sharia. That's ok, I'll give you some time to adjust to your new found freedoms and pray you enjoy them like the rest of us who do so. And in doing so, I hope STICK up and defend those rights.

[Kipruss]

I wonder why the escort helicopter didn't radio the team doing the search to say that there was potential trouble on the way and that it was time to head back to the ship? Maybe they were warned but couldn't get to safety.

This event is even a concern to NZ because we occasionally send a Frigate on maritime enforcement operations. I'm not sure how I would react if it was our troops having been captured. Probably with anger. Fortunately i'm not a polititian who could get a lot of people killed with action for the sake of action.

My prediction is that they will be released within a few weeks. I hope so.

[baz0927]

I wonder why the escort helicopter didn't radio the team doing the search to say that there was potential trouble on the way and that it was time to head back to the ship? Maybe they were warned but couldn't get to safety.

This event is even a concern to NZ because we occasionally send a Frigate on maritime enforcement operations. I'm not sure how I would react if it was our troops having been captured. Probably with anger. Fortunately i'm not a polititian who could get a lot of people killed with action for the sake of action.

My prediction is that they will be released within a few weeks. I hope so.

Hope they are realised safely and peacefully,or are guys in Herford will go and get them

[pdf27]

Lets see how good the EU is now ...........dont hold your breath....this will be down to Britain ............and hopefully our best friend and ally

If it comes down to military action then I fully expect the EU to sit by and look useless. However, the EU is actually quite good when it comes to projecting "soft" power, and alongside the UK are actually in a position where they can cause the Iranians a lot of grief.

You criticize the US yet you benefit from the democratic ideals that spread from the US to Canada and live under the protection of Canadian law which is based on those ideals, the most fundamental of which is that every human life is unique and precious and must be protected.

Err... wtf? In the case of Canada, those ideals came from the UK, not the US - and indeed when the US tried to impose their own idea of democracy on Canada they were repelled militarily. Canada itself in it's very earliest days was largely composed of those who didn't want to live under the laws of the new United States, and most subsequent immigrants went there in preference to the US for much the same reason.

[T_igger_cs_30]

Why do I get the sneeking suspicion that if 15 American Sailors/Marines were captured the general opinion of the world comunity would be that "the U.S. was asking for trouble"?

Would we see the world comunity rally behind their release?

...and I don't say this to make our British freinds look bad, far from it, I think we should back them in this issue 110%, but would we continue to see the "Anti-Americanism" that seems to be rampant in this world today?

My attitude would be exatly the same

[Dreadnought]

Again do not underestimate Britain...............could be tony's last stand .............as was the Falklands with maggie...........he could leave o a high note

Oh I dont under estimate her (Britain) But Maggie was the best thing IMO that happened to Britain since the days of Churchill.