Mitt Romney and the character question

[Roosveltrepub]

I find it odd Obama's publicist gives him a false bio and it is a question of Obama's charactor.

meanwhile Mitt Romney claims he cut spending in MA(it grew 5 percent a yr) and has stated he saved GM and talks about the need to address the deficit while promising to slash high end tax rates 25 percent....

[dalem]

I find it odd Obama's publicist gives him a false bio and it is a question of Obama's charactor.

meanwhile Mitt Romney claims he cut spending in MA(it grew 5 percent a yr) and has stated he saved GM and talks about the need to address the deficit while promising to slash high end tax rates 25 percent....

What did he say about GM?

And maybe he wants to cut deficits by reducing spending AND taxes. Such ideas are not mutually exclusive.

-dale

[Bigfella]

I find it odd Obama's publicist gives him a false bio and it is a question of Obama's charactor.

meanwhile Mitt Romney claims he cut spending in MA(it grew 5 percent a yr) and has stated he saved GM and talks about the need to address the deficit while promising to slash high end tax rates 25 percent....

Don't see the connection RR. Mitt is making the standard election year claims people make. That doesn't reflect on his character, just his profession.

The obsession some people have with drawing sweeping conclusions from the irrelevant minutae (real & fictitious) of politician's pasts does, however, reflect on their character.

[Roosveltrepub]

Mitt Romney’s claim of credit for the auto industry turnaround - The Washington Post There you go dale

BF I thionk when a Politican tells out and out lies like claims on saving an industry or a claim he cut spending when in fact it grew 5 percent a year are a bit more telling on charactor than what a publicist released
PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said he "actually cut" spending as Massachusetts governor I think it's ironic he grew goverment at the rate of GWB or there abouts and calls that a cut. Romney's new tax cuts are a deficit nightmare - CSMonitor.com Dale we can't even get to where we need to be without damn near gutting goverment now. Add 3 trillion more to cut and you will be able to drown the dept of defense in that bathtub and we can say goodbye to Veteran's benefits, social security and medicaid as well....I don't think it's realistic. I understand you would be ok with it butyou have to know the vast majority still are in fantasy land about the cuts we ahve to make now without tax increases let alone after more cuts

[USSWisconsin]

Rosey - I'm glad you came back.

[dalem]

Mitt Romney’s claim of credit for the auto industry turnaround - The Washington Post There you go dale

Hmm. A bit clumsy, but I don't see it as predacious in the way that Obama's character issues are.

BF I thionk when a Politican tells out and out lies like claims on saving an industry or a claim he cut spending when in fact it grew 5 percent a year are a bit more telling on charactor than what a publicist released
PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said he "actually cut" spending as Massachusetts governor I think it's ironic he grew goverment at the rate of GWB or there abouts and calls that a cut. Romney's new tax cuts are a deficit nightmare - CSMonitor.com Dale we can't even get to where we need to be without damn near gutting goverment now. Add 3 trillion more to cut and you will be able to drown the dept of defense in that bathtub and we can say goodbye to Veteran's benefits, social security and medicaid as well....I don't think it's realistic. I understand you would be ok with it butyou have to know the vast majority still are in fantasy land about the cuts we ahve to make now without tax increases let alone after more cuts

Hard to decipher all that but I take away two main things: Romney's "cut" comments and some stuff about not being able to handle the Federal deficit with cuts alone. The latter is about policy, not character, and the former is fairly accurate, with the most significant spending reductions coming during the first part of his tenure as governor.

So, character-wise, I'll take Romney over your whiny little boy king Obama any day of the week. Absolutely no contest.

-dale

[Captain Worley]

Romney wanted GM and Chrysler to go through a normal bankruptcy process. This is all well and good except for the fact that they were so massive and so damaged that no bank was willing to lend them money. The government was the only entity that had the ability or inclination to guaranty loans for them.

Like it or not, it was the right thing to do. If not, both companies would have gone under, taking a good many of their suppliers, and probably Ford, which was on tenuous ground at the time, with them.

For Romney to make claims that he in any stretch saved the auto industries is ridiculous. I was completely shoced to hear him make statements of that nature on the news.

[Roosveltrepub]

Hmm. A bit clumsy, but I don't see it as predacious in the way that Obama's character issues are.



Hard to decipher all that but I take away two main things: Romney's "cut" comments and some stuff about not being able to handle the Federal deficit with cuts alone. The latter is about policy, not character, and the former is fairly accurate, with the most significant spending reductions coming during the first part of his tenure as governor.

So, character-wise, I'll take Romney over your whiny little boy king Obama any day of the week. Absolutely no contest.

-dale

How does groth of near 5 percent mean cutting goverment? It's a straight up lie as is his claim on the auto industry. Who was going to finance that bankruptcy the Newt's mytical meteor miners? There was no capital. The outcome in Romney's plan was the end of the big three and massive layoffs at the rest because of supply chain interruptions and that is accoridng to Toyaota on the supply chain driven layoffs. Let's look at what would of happened under Romney/ republican moves to tighten the money supply in 2010 because of the massive inflation threat they saw.....the truth was we were on the verge of a deflationary event and between restricting the money supply and the massive surge in unemployment there auto industry stance would of created you can go right on calling him Whiney obama and I and the rest of America will continue to be grateful we never got Romney as a verb for the destruction of an economy through idiocy.

If you'd like I can pull up the charts but really....can you say we needed tight money and to shutter GM and have Toyota in America sustain huge layoffs from the supply chain interruptions as a path to prosperity?????? Would massive layoffs on public employees which the stimulus postponed a yr really of been in our best interest in 2009????

it's important not just to look at Obama's record but the actual outcomes if we had followed the course the opposition demanded in 2009 and 2010. Things aren't great but christ the opposition plan was for 1932 redux

[Roosveltrepub]

Mitt Romney declining to disclose names of campaign bundlers


taxes top secret....bundlers top secret.... His top donors look like a list of serial world wide wealth destroyers
Goldman Sachs

$573,080



Bank of America

$398,850



JPMorgan Chase & Co

$393,825



Morgan Stanley

$373,850



Credit Suisse Group

$317,410



Citigroup Inc

$301,550



Kirkland & Ellis

$248,052



Barclays

$228,400



PricewaterhouseCoopers

$214,250



Wells Fargo

$204,300



HIG Capital

$191,000



UBS AG

$190,500



Blackstone Group

$182,550



Bain Capital

$149,000



Marriott International

$132,827



EMC Corp

$129,200



Citadel Investment Group

$127,125



Elliott Management

$125,975



Deloitte LLP

$124,250



Bain & Co

$123,050
yeah, wealth destroyers after all if you are going to credit t hem with wealth creation when their idiotic over extension causes a worldwide crisis I think it's fair to credit them with the destruction of 14 trillion in american families wealth. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...dgsxzZg_k02EHQ And they got a bonus the next year because God forbid we attach conditions to all that money the previous white house procurred for them.

[Parihaka]

Mitt Romney declining to disclose names of campaign bundlers


taxes top secret....bundlers top secret.... His top donors look like a list of serial world wide wealth destroyers
Goldman Sachs

$573,080



Bank of America

$398,850



JPMorgan Chase & Co

$393,825



Morgan Stanley

$373,850



Credit Suisse Group

$317,410



Citigroup Inc

$301,550



Kirkland & Ellis

$248,052



Barclays

$228,400



PricewaterhouseCoopers

$214,250



Wells Fargo

$204,300



HIG Capital

$191,000



UBS AG

$190,500



Blackstone Group

$182,550



Bain Capital

$149,000



Marriott International

$132,827



EMC Corp

$129,200



Citadel Investment Group

$127,125



Elliott Management

$125,975



Deloitte LLP

$124,250



Bain & Co

$123,050
yeah, wealth destroyers after all if you are going to credit t hem with wealth creation when their idiotic over extension causes a worldwide crisis I think it's fair to credit them with the destruction of 14 trillion in american families wealth. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...dgsxzZg_k02EHQ And they got a bonus the next year because God forbid we attach conditions to all that money the previous white house procurred for them.

Wow, he's not doing very well is he?

compare his list to Obamas circa 2008

University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

Obama creams him from the 'wealth destroyers' and no doubt does this time as well.

[Parihaka]

and sure enough, in this campaign thus far Obama has raised twice as much
Banking on Becoming President | OpenSecrets

I wonder if all those wealth destroyers will be able to buy him another election.

[Parihaka]

and Obamas top bundlers by industry.
Great site this one :)

[Parihaka]

Anyway, Obama creamed everyone else in fundraising from wealth destroyers last election and looks to increase his lead this time. Guess it's payoff time for all his favours to them this term.

[Parihaka]

This is fun Roosie :)

[dalem]

How does groth of near 5 percent mean cutting goverment? It's a straight up lie as is his claim on the auto industry. Who was going to finance that bankruptcy the Newt's mytical meteor miners? There was no capital. The outcome in Romney's plan was the end of the big three and massive layoffs at the rest because of supply chain interruptions and that is accoridng to Toyaota on the supply chain driven layoffs. Let's look at what would of happened under Romney/ republican moves to tighten the money supply in 2010 because of the massive inflation threat they saw.....the truth was we were on the verge of a deflationary event and between restricting the money supply and the massive surge in unemployment there auto industry stance would of created you can go right on calling him Whiney obama and I and the rest of America will continue to be grateful we never got Romney as a verb for the destruction of an economy through idiocy.

If you'd like I can pull up the charts but really....can you say we needed tight money and to shutter GM and have Toyota in America sustain huge layoffs from the supply chain interruptions as a path to prosperity?????? Would massive layoffs on public employees which the stimulus postponed a yr really of been in our best interest in 2009????

it's important not just to look at Obama's record but the actual outcomes if we had followed the course the opposition demanded in 2009 and 2010. Things aren't great but christ the opposition plan was for 1932 redux

I agree that it's important to you to not look at Obama's record. Go ahead, vote for him and be proud of supporting a guy who doesn't really like America or Americans very much. Maybe in his second four years he can expand government and its expense enough to make you happy.

-dale