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    That's alot of money.
    Two Japanese carrying $134 billion worth of US bonds detained in Italy

    ROME

    Two Japanese nationals were detained by Italian financial police last week after trying to enter Switzerland with $134 billion worth of undeclared U.S. bonds, mostly Treasury bonds, an Italian daily said Wednesday. The Japanese consulate general in Milan confirmed that the detention had taken place and said it was trying to confirm with Italian authorities whether the two were indeed Japanese nationals and their identities.

    According to the report in il Giornale, two unidentified Japanese in their 50s concealed the bonds, including 249 U.S. Treasury bonds each worth $500 million, in a suitcase with a false bottom that was searched by the Italian authorities June 3 when they were in Chiasso, at the border with Switzerland, about 50 kilometers north of Milan. The daily did not say on what charges they have been detained, but the two may have been detained on suspicion of attempting to take a large amount of securities out of Italy without declaring it because the paper said they had not declared the bonds.
    2 Japanese carrying $134 bil worth of U.S. bonds detained in Italy Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
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  • #2
    For comparison, that is more then the whole GDP of New Zealand.

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    • #3
      This looks bigger than meets the eyes.I doubt the border police just found this randomly.They must have had some hint about it.Some ''black'' wars going on
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      • #4
        F**K!!! That is a LOT of money.
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        • #5
          I don't belive in this. Bonds in our days are simple record in computer memory and there is no need to trasfer them in such a dengerous way. Electronic transfer is much faster and safe.
          Also, there are very few organizations who can collect such amount of money in cash (well, almost in cash). Unless those two gentelmens are from Japan Central Bank, i don't belive this is true.

          Edit. It's a fake:
          http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...ill_faq.htm#do
          Do you still issue bills in paper form?
          No. All Treasury bills are now issued and held electronically. Paper bills were issued in the past, but all of them have matured.
          Last edited by NUS; 12 Jun 09,, 16:01.
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          • #6
            Suitcase With $134 Billion Puts Dollar on Edge: William Pesek
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            Commentary by William Pesek

            June 17 (Bloomberg) -- It’s a plot better suited for a John Le Carre novel.

            Two Japanese men are detained in Italy after allegedly attempting to take $134 billion worth of U.S. bonds over the border into Switzerland. Details are maddeningly sketchy, so naturally the global rumor mill is kicking into high gear.

            Are these would-be smugglers agents of Kim Jong Il stashing North Korea’s cash in a Swiss vault? Bagmen for Nigerian Internet scammers? Was the money meant for terrorists looking to buy nuclear warheads? Is Japan dumping its dollars secretly? Are the bonds real or counterfeit?

            The implications of the securities being legitimate would be bigger than investors may realize. At a minimum, it would suggest that the U.S. risks losing control over its monetary supply on a massive scale.

            The trillions of dollars of debt the U.S. will issue in the next couple of years needs buyers. Attracting them will require making sure that existing ones aren’t losing faith in the U.S.’s ability to control the dollar.

            The dollar is, for better or worse, the core of our world economy and it’s best to keep it stable. News that’s more fitting for international spy novels than the financial pages won’t help that effort. It is incumbent upon the U.S. Treasury to get to the bottom of this tale and keep markets informed.

            GDP Carriers

            Think about it: These two guys were carrying the gross domestic product of New Zealand or enough for three Beijing Olympics. If economies were for sale, the men could buy Slovakia and Croatia and have plenty left over for Mongolia or Cambodia. Yes, they could have built vacation homes amidst Genghis Khan’s Gobi Desert or the famed Temples of Angkor. Bernard Madoff who?

            These men carrying bonds concealed in the bottom of their luggage also would be the fourth-largest U.S. creditors. It makes you wonder if some of the time Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner spends keeping the Chinese and Japanese invested in dollars should be devoted to well-financed men crossing the Italian-Swiss border.

            This tale has gotten little attention in markets, perhaps because of the absurdity of our times. The last year has been a decidedly disorienting one for capitalists who once knew up from down, red from black and risk from reward. It almost fits with the surreal nature of today that a couple of travelers have more U.S. debt than Brazil in a suitcase and, well, that’s life.

            Clancy Bestseller

            You can almost picture Tom Clancy sitting in his study thinking: “Damn! Why didn’t I think of this yarn and novelize it years ago?” He could have sprinkled in a Chinese angle, a pinch of Russian intrigue, a dose of Pyongyang and a bit of Taiwan-Strait tension into the mix. Presto, a sure bestseller.

            Daniel Craig may be thinking this is a great story on which to base the next James Bond flick. Perhaps Don Johnson could buy the rights to this tale. In 2002, the “Miami Vice” star was stopped by German customs officers as he was traveling in a car carrying credit notes and other securities worth as much as $8 billion. Now he could claim it was all, uh, research.

            When I first heard of the $134 billion story, I was tempted to glance at my calendar to make sure it didn’t read April 1.

            Let’s assume for a moment that these U.S. bonds are real. That would make a mockery of Japanese Finance Minister Kaoru Yosano’s “absolutely unshakable” confidence in the credibility of the U.S. dollar. Yosano would have some explaining to do about Japan’s $686 billion of U.S. debt if more of these suitcase capers come to light.

            ‘Kennedy Bonds’

            Counterfeit $100 bills are one thing; two guys with undeclared bonds including 249 certificates worth $500 million and 10 “Kennedy bonds” of $1 billion each is quite another.

            The bust could be a boon for Italy. If the securities are found to be genuine, the smugglers could be fined 40 percent of the total value for attempting to take them out of the country. Not a bad payday for a government grappling with a widening budget deficit and rebuilding the town of L’Aquila, which was destroyed by an earthquake in April.

            It would be terrible news for the White House. Other than the U.S., China or Japan, no other nation could theoretically move those amounts. In the absence of clear explanations coming from the Treasury, conspiracy theories are filling the void.

            On his blog, the Market Ticker, Karl Denninger wonders if the Treasury “has been surreptitiously issuing bonds to, say, Japan, as a means of financing deficits that someone didn’t want reported over the last, oh, say 10 or 20 years.” Adds Denninger: “Let’s hope we get those answers, and this isn’t one of those ‘funny things’ that just disappears into the night.”

            This is still a story with far more questions than answers. It’s odd, though, that it’s not garnering more media attention. Interest is likely to grow. The last thing Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke need right now is tens of billions more of U.S. bonds -- or even high-quality fake ones -- suddenly popping up around the globe.

            (William Pesek is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

            To contact the writer of this column: William Pesek in Tokyo at [email protected]
            Last Updated: June 16, 2009 15:00 EDT


            Suitcase With $134 Billion Puts Dollar on Edge: William Pesek - Bloomberg.com
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            • #7
              They are fake:

              Article - WSJ.com

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              • #8
                Yup.



                Mafia blamed for $134bn fake Treasury bills

                By FT reporters

                Published: June 18 2009 19:52 | Last updated: June 18 2009 19:52

                One summer afternoon, two “Japanese” men in their 50s on a slow train from Italy to Switzerland said they had nothing to declare at the frontier point of Chiasso.

                But in a false bottom of one of their suitcases, Italian customs officers and ministry of finance police discovered a staggering $134bn (€97bn, £82bn) in US Treasury bills.
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                Whether the men are really Japanese, as their passports declare, is unclear but Italian and US secret services working together soon concluded that the bills and accompanying bank documents were most probably counterfeit, the latest handiwork of the Italian Mafia.

                Few details have been revealed beyond a June 4 statement by the Italian finance police announcing the seizure of 249 US Treasury bills, each of $500m, and 10 “Kennedy” bonds, used as intergovernment payments, of $1bn each. The men were apparently tailed by the Italian authorities.

                The mystery deepened on Thursday as an Italian blog quoted Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli of the Como provincial finance police as saying the two men had been released. The colonel and police headquarters in Rome both declined to respond to questions from the Financial Times.

                “They are all fraudulent, it’s obvious. We don’t even have paper securities outstanding for that value,’’ said Mckayla Braden, senior adviser for public affairs at the Bureau of Public Debt at the US Treasury department. “This type of scam has been going on for years.’’

                The Treasury has not issued physical Treasury bonds since the 1980s – they are handled electronically – though they still issue savings bonds in paper format.

                In Washington a US Secret Service official said the agency, which is working with the Italian authorities, believed the bonds were fake.

                Officials in Tokyo were nonplussed. Takeshi Akamatsu, a Japanese foreign ministry press secretary, said Italian authorities had confirmed that two men carrying Japanese passports had been questioned in the bond case but Tokyo had not been informed of their names or whereabouts.

                “We don’t know where they are now,” Mr Akamatsu said.

                Italian officials, while pointing out that hauls of counterfeit money and Treasury bills were not unusual, were stunned by the amount involved. Investigators are looking into the origin and destination of the fakes.

                Italian prosecutors revealed last month that they had cracked a $1bn bond scam run by the Sicilian Mafia, with the alleged aid of corrupt officials in Venezuela’s central bank. Twenty people were arrested in four countries.

                The fake bonds were to have been used as collateral to open credit lines with banks, Reuters news agency reported. The Venezuelan central bank denied the accusations.

                By FT staff in Rome, Tokyo, New York and Washington

                Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009
                “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                  F**K!!! That is a LOT of money.
                  Wait until you see the number '500 trillion' that'll be a doozy...

                  $500,000,000,000,000

                  Is that really five hundred trillion, or is it quadrillion?

                  Five hundred trillion
                  500,000,000,000,000

                  I guess it must be

                  Five hundred quadrillion
                  500,000,000,000,000

                  It is actually shorter to write it out!

                  Yay AMERICA!!!!
                  Last edited by pate; 19 Jun 09,, 07:58. Reason: Clarity

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                  • #10
                    no matter how large the amount is, they are fake.
                    so we don't need to worry too much

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                    • #11
                      Even if it was real, and the Japanese where caught with their pants down trying to move billions in US bonds im sure the public statement from all parties would be 'move along now kiddies, nothing to see here... all fake bonds, that dastardly mafia...'

                      Rather than 'we have serious monetary control issues oh and those in the know believe our currency is on the way to being useless and are taking extraordinary risks to move/dump it without anyone knowing'

                      The best part of repentance is the sin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pate View Post
                        Wait until you see the number '500 trillion' that'll be a doozy...

                        $500,000,000,000,000

                        Is that really five hundred trillion, or is it quadrillion?

                        Five hundred trillion
                        500,000,000,000,000

                        I guess it must be

                        Five hundred quadrillion
                        500,000,000,000,000

                        It is actually shorter to write it out!

                        Yay AMERICA!!!!
                        I wonder how many Zimbabwean dollars that is?
                        The best part of repentance is the sin

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