Thought this might be a good time to start such a thread;) and wasn't able to find another on this subject digging through the forum.
I am going to just make a few changes to the events that occured in the first few hours following the attempt. Colnel Brandt does not trip and move the briefcase and thus the bomb goes off from where it was intended and Hitler is killed. General Felligebel is able to get confirmation of this Olbricht before the communication lines are severed. So Valkyrie goes into effect a little after 12 noon instead of 4 PM. General Fromm backs the conspiracy.
I would assume that Berlin would be largely in the hands of the conspirators by the time Stauffenberg returned. Goebbels and other high ranking Nazis would be under arrest. Other arrests would take place all over Europe and several major cities would fall to forces loyal to the plot.
However the counter coup by the Nazis might start to play in almost the same way. The Wolf's lair would be secured and joined by Himmler; would start sending counter orders all over the Reich. Several SS units would move to act against the coup. Wehrmacht leaders loyal to Hitler like Guderian or Runstedt might try to rally the Army to fight the conspirators. The conspirators failure to secure the communication networks early , cost them dearly in the real timeline, I am assuming it does here to ; as anti coup messages are broadcast all over the Reich urging all Germans to resist the coup.
Finally I think its possible Major Remer (by all accounts a fanatical Nazi) might have still backed the regime in power, upon learing the truth about the nature of events. Thus the conspirators position in Berlin itself would have been jeopordized.
The key for the Conspirators would be; in order to prevent a costly civil war, or even a quick collapse of their coup would be; to nuetralize the SS leadership quickly and eliminate its leaders; to arrest and replace Pro Nazi Army leaders like Guderian and Remer; and push for a quick end to the war. Would it be too late for anything other than unconditional surrender or did Germany still have something to bargain with?
A lot of speculation, but think it makes for an interesting discussion :)
I am going to just make a few changes to the events that occured in the first few hours following the attempt. Colnel Brandt does not trip and move the briefcase and thus the bomb goes off from where it was intended and Hitler is killed. General Felligebel is able to get confirmation of this Olbricht before the communication lines are severed. So Valkyrie goes into effect a little after 12 noon instead of 4 PM. General Fromm backs the conspiracy.
I would assume that Berlin would be largely in the hands of the conspirators by the time Stauffenberg returned. Goebbels and other high ranking Nazis would be under arrest. Other arrests would take place all over Europe and several major cities would fall to forces loyal to the plot.
However the counter coup by the Nazis might start to play in almost the same way. The Wolf's lair would be secured and joined by Himmler; would start sending counter orders all over the Reich. Several SS units would move to act against the coup. Wehrmacht leaders loyal to Hitler like Guderian or Runstedt might try to rally the Army to fight the conspirators. The conspirators failure to secure the communication networks early , cost them dearly in the real timeline, I am assuming it does here to ; as anti coup messages are broadcast all over the Reich urging all Germans to resist the coup.
Finally I think its possible Major Remer (by all accounts a fanatical Nazi) might have still backed the regime in power, upon learing the truth about the nature of events. Thus the conspirators position in Berlin itself would have been jeopordized.
The key for the Conspirators would be; in order to prevent a costly civil war, or even a quick collapse of their coup would be; to nuetralize the SS leadership quickly and eliminate its leaders; to arrest and replace Pro Nazi Army leaders like Guderian and Remer; and push for a quick end to the war. Would it be too late for anything other than unconditional surrender or did Germany still have something to bargain with?
A lot of speculation, but think it makes for an interesting discussion :)
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