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    KGB old boys tightening grip on Russia
    By Martin Sixsmith


    Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams famously said about the IRA that "they never went away, you know", and researching the current BBC World Service series, After the KGB, left me with a very similar impression.

    As the BBC's Moscow correspondent in the late 1980s and early to mid-90s, I witnessed the collapse of the Soviet Union and the outpouring of popular hatred for the regime's notorious secret police.

    I was in Lubyanka Square in front of the KGB's headquarters on 22 August 1991, as demonstrators toppled the statue of Feliks Dzerzhinsky, the organisation's founder. When a hawser was tied round Dzerzhinsky's neck and the 14-tonne colossus came crashing to the ground, it seemed the KGB's days were numbered.

    The new President, Boris Yeltsin, moved to neutralise the secret policemen by cutting their budget, slashing their numbers and hiving off their functions to rival agencies. He renamed the organisation the FSB - Federal Security Service - but somehow the spirit of the KGB lived on.


    They were crazy days. So many dead bodies, so many guys who simply disappeared
    Dima Fonariev
    Ex-KGB bodyguard

    In the political and economic chaos of the Yeltsin era, thousands of disillusioned agents went into the private security business.

    Dima Fonariev, a KGB bodyguard for Mikhail Gorbachev who set up his own security firm, says private sector pay in the 1990s could be 10 times higher. A burgeoning crime wave also meant security expertise was in high demand.

    "They were crazy days. So many dead bodies, so many guys who simply disappeared. I remember this time because I was invited to work for a guy who wanted me to carry a Kalashnikov. But I said 'no, no it is against the law!'"

    Inquiries quashed

    Not all the former agents shared Mr Fonariev's scruples. Some became involved in organised crime. Within a few years, former and serving security men had replaced the mafia in running the country's thriving protection rackets. Some were caught up in even darker activities.

    Mikhail Trepashkin, an ex-KGB-colonel who remained in the service, worked closely with Nikolai Patrushev, who is now the head of the FSB. Mr Trepashkin won a medal for uncovering illegal arms sales by FSB agents to Chechen militants, but when he began to probe deeper into connections between FSB officers and criminal groups, he found himself ostracised and his investigation blocked.



    They are just people like us - they are not aliens

    Dmitry Peskov, Putin spokesman on former KGB members


    "In Moscow, several times, we arrested armed men who were preparing terrorist acts, and then they were released! It made no sense to me at all. So I decided to compile a report for our leadership in the FSB to establish why this was happening. My report went to Nikolai Patrushev, who was then working on internal FSB affairs. I got no reaction.

    "Then, in 1995, I had definite information about an FSB employee who was working in a criminal group, kept a weapons store, and killed people. When I wanted to catch that group Patrushev gave the order for those documents of mine to be destroyed."

    Eventually Mr Trepashkin himself was arrested. A gun was planted in his car and he was charged with the illegal possession of firearms. He successfully contested that charge, but was then accused of disclosing state secrets and sentenced to four years in a labour camp. When I spoke to him he had just been released from the prison.

    Business leaders

    Despite Yeltsin's efforts, the FSB remained stubbornly unreformed and determined to regain its lost power. In 1999, Vladimir Putin, then director of the FSB and a career KGB man, was appointed prime minister.


    On 20 December 1999, at an FSB party to celebrate the founding of the Cheka, the Bolshevik secret police, he told his former colleagues: "Dear comrades, I can report that the group of agents you sent to infiltrate the government has accomplished the first part of its mission."

    The second part of the mission - getting a KGB man into the presidency - was accomplished the following year.

    Under Vladimir Putin, the security services have regained their former prestige, their budgets and their numbers are now higher than ever, and they have gained positions of power in all areas of the nation's life.

    According to research by the Russian Academy of Sciences, three quarters of senior politicians have a background in the security forces and Russia's largest companies are now headed by former KGB men with personal ties to Vladimir Putin.

    The Kremlin argues this is a good thing - that Russia needs a strong hand to restore order. When I spoke to President Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, he was reassuring.

    "The majority of [former KGB men] are very talented and very skilful people. They are just people like us - they are not aliens," he said.

    Turf wars

    But there have been suggestions that some of the new politician-businessmen have abused their positions to enrich themselves. Individual branches of the FSB, each controlled by a politically powerful patron, have been involved in turf wars over corrupt business schemes. One of them led to an armed showdown on the tarmac of a Moscow airport.

    When he was elected, Mr Putin declared war on the wheeler-dealer businessmen, the so-called oligarchs who snapped up the country's massively lucrative state industries in the economic meltdown of the 1990s.

    Many of them were dispossessed and their assets, counted in the billions of dollars, were taken over by state corporations, most of which have a former KGB man in charge. Mr Putin's former colleagues now head up the country's oil, media, railways and armaments industries as well as the state airline.

    It would be wrong to say the bad old days are back in Russia: the security services are no longer the monolithic instrument of state repression they were in the darkest periods of the Soviet Union.

    But they have become rich and powerful, and whereas the Soviet KGB was always tightly controlled by the Communist Party, their modern equivalents are increasingly becoming a law unto themselves. The new president, due to be elected next month, will inherit a secret police that is in danger of becoming a state within the state.

    The first part of Martin Sixsmith's two-part documentary, After the KGB, can be heard on the BBC World Service on Friday 22 February. Part two will be aired on 29 February
    BBC NEWS | Europe | KGB old boys tightening grip on Russia

    I thought this was interesting. Nothing concrete, but indicative of a trend.

  • #2
    The usual humbug.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Adux View Post
      The usual humbug.
      Yes, there have been SO many polonium poisonings lately.....


      Followed by the threat of nuclear war, when ex-Soviet/Warsaw Pact states join NATO....

      Handing over nuclear fuel to a terrorist nation intent on building nuclear weapons......


      Yes, the usual humbug.

      Putin-Russia, making the world a more deadly place to live, one nuclear threat at a time!!
      Last edited by Kansas Bear; 22 Feb 08,, 21:47.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kansas Bear View Post
        Yes, there have been SO many polonium poisonings lately.....


        Followed by the threat of nuclear war, when ex-Soviet/Warsaw Pact states join NATO....

        Handing over nuclear fuel to a terrorist nation intent on building nuclear weapons......


        Yes, the usual humbug.

        Putin-Russia, making the world a more deadly place to live, one nuclear threat at a time!!
        Particularly love the last line KB
        Last edited by T_igger_cs_30; 22 Feb 08,, 23:13.
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        • #5
          Good for Putin and his KGB.

          Risen like the Pheonix.

          The world must be kept active so that the WAB remains dynamic. ;) :))


          "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

          I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

          HAKUNA MATATA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Adux View Post
            The usual humbug.
            The usual humbug indeed!
            Some folk just don't like those Russians!!!!
            Or should I say "are suspicious of their motives"

            Is it the same if CIA men get elected in the US senate I wonder?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Old-Pro View Post
              The usual humbug indeed!
              Some folk just don't like those Russians!!!!
              Or should I say "are suspicious of their motives"

              Is it the same if CIA men get elected in the US senate I wonder?
              We had one as president a couple of decades ago... American business and political offices weren't suddenly overrun with CIA.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Adux View Post
                The usual humbug.
                It is fairly easy to verify or disprove... from the sounds of it the Russian government didn't even try.

                It makes sense too. Who would Putin choose to put in positions of power? People he's known a long time and trusts. Who would those people be? Former KGB.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Old-Pro View Post
                  The usual humbug indeed!
                  Some folk just don't like those Russians!!!!
                  Or should I say "are suspicious of their motives"

                  Is it the same if CIA men get elected in the US senate I wonder?
                  There is nothing deceptive about the motive as far as I can see, They are building up and getting ready for another confrontation with the US and the west. They have been pushed around,humilitated and not shown the maganamity of a victor. There are lots of reason for Russikies going nuts and the West is not immune from it.
                  Last edited by Adux; 23 Feb 08,, 18:02.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kansas Bear View Post
                    Yes, there have been SO many polonium poisonings lately.....


                    Followed by the threat of nuclear war, when ex-Soviet/Warsaw Pact states join NATO....

                    Handing over nuclear fuel to a terrorist nation intent on building nuclear weapons......


                    Yes, the usual humbug.

                    Putin-Russia, making the world a more deadly place to live, one nuclear threat at a time!!
                    Not nuclear, but vladimurder putin did threaten to invade Georgia after Kosovo declared inependance.

                    And on a personal note. Maybe because Kosovo declared independance I'll get threatened with more "sanctions" by some of putin's loyal cocksmokers, for my past evil deed...wanting to marry an uber evil Chechenka.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lunatock View Post
                      Not nuclear, but vladimurder putin did threaten to invade Georgia after Kosovo declared inependance.
                      Russia has threatened to target the Ukraine with nuclear warheads if the former Soviet republic joins Nato and accepts the deployment of United States anti-missile defences on its territory.
                      http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wes...ine-nukes.html

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                      • #12
                        Every Russian Base of importance will be targetted by NATO nukes, So coversely it is expected that very NATO base will also be targeted by the Russians.

                        Again what a distortion of truth. This was no threat but a fact. Which both Russians and NATO lives by.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Adux View Post
                          Every Russian Base of importance will be targetted by NATO nukes, So coversely it is expected that very NATO base will also be targeted by the Russians.

                          Again what a distortion of truth. This was no threat but a fact. Which both Russians and NATO lives by.

                          The Ukraine is not yet a NATO country
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                          • #14
                            YES,

                            That was his point wasnt it. If you 'BECOME' a NATO country, we will have to target you. Something Russia doesent want to do especially with its history with Ukraine and the population of 40% of Ukraine being Russians.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Adux View Post
                              YES,

                              That was his point wasnt it. If you 'BECOME' a NATO country, we will have to target you. Something Russia doesent want to do especially with its history with Ukraine and the population of 40% of Ukraine being Russians.
                              They dont have to do anything they do not want to
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