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  • Russia flexing again

    By Guy Faulconbridge Reuters - Tuesday, January 22 11:04 am

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia on Tuesday sent two long-range bombers to the Bay of Biscay, off the French and Spanish Atlantic coasts, to test-fire missiles in what it billed as its biggest navy exercise in the area since Soviet times.
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    British and Norwegian Tornado and F-16 jets were escorting the Russian 'Blackjack' bombers, Interfax reported, quoting the Russian Air Force.

    However, the French Defence Ministry spokesman said his country had been informed about the Russian exercises.

    Firing missiles off the coastline of two members of the NATO military alliance is the latest in a series of Kremlin moves flexing Moscow's military muscle on the world stage.

    The Russian bombers joined aircraft carriers, battleships and submarine hunters from the Northern and Black Sea fleets for the Atlantic exercises, which come as the country enters an election campaign to choose a successor to President Vladimir Putin.

    "The air force is taking a very active part in the exercises of the navy's strike force in the Atlantic," Russia's air force said in a statement.

    "Today, two strategic Tu-160 bombers departed for exercises in the Bay of Biscay, which ... will carry out a number of missions and will conduct tactical missile launches," it said.

    Putin, widely popular as his second four-year term draws to a close, has sought to use such moves to revive domestic and international respect for Russia's armed forces which were shattered by the chaos of the 1990s.

    A former KGB lieutenant-colonel, Putin has boosted military spending, renewed long-range bomber missions and approved a plan to upgrade Russia's nuclear attack forces, which he said was needed after NATO built up its forces close to Russia's borders.

    But some analysts note that while the sabre rattling is popular at home, Russian military spending in absolute terms is substantially lower than that of China, Britain or France and less than a tenth of that of the United States.

    Discipline is still a major problem for Russia's armed forces, which rely heavily on conscripts and outdated equipment.

    Russia last month said it would begin major navy sorties into the Mediterranean, with 11 ships backed up by 47 aircraft, that would then travel to the Atlantic for exercises.

    The navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Soviet-made Admiral Kuznetsov, was leading the fleet in the Atlantic where NATO aircraft were trying to keep a close eye on Russian movements, Russian media reported.

    "This is the biggest exercise of its kind in the area since Soviet times," a spokesman for Russia's navy said, adding that more details would be released later.

    There was no further information about where in the Bay of Biscay, which lies off the West coast of France and the Northern coast of Spain, the missile tests were due to take place.

    Russia's air force said turbo-prop Tupolev Tu-95 strategic bombers, codenamed "Bear" by NATO, would join the exercise on Wednesday.

    "From January 23, the aviation component in the zone where the exercises are going on will be widened and the following planes will take part: Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 M3, Il-78, A-50," the air force said.

    Question: Does Russias aircraft carrier actually stay afloat now? I thought it was falling apart?
    Last edited by VarSity; 22 Jan 08,, 15:53.

  • #2
    Russia has aircraft carriers?
    just kidding...
    Of course they do. I think the "falling apart" description is already taken by the North Koreans...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Demosthenes View Post
      Russia has aircraft carriers?
      Carrier. Not plural.

      The Kusnetsov. I doubt if they are even doing flight ops. There are less than a dozen operable SU-33's, and a serious lack of pilots.

      But I can imagine what Putin would say if the deGaulle were to conduct ops off the Russian coastline, lol....
      "We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008

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      • #4
        Originally posted by highsea View Post
        Carrier.
        But I can imagine what Putin would say if the deGaulle were to conduct ops off the Russian coastline, lol....
        I can imagine he would start giving birth to kittens.

        Someone call the French and get this started :D

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        • #5
          russia isn,t flexing, it is just getting in shape.
          "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by omon View Post
            russia isn,t flexing, it is just getting in shape.
            Well, it needs to do a hell of a lot more than it is doing.

            I think the article is correct, this is more about saber rattling for the folks at home than a serious effort to increase military preparedness.

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            • #7
              It would have been better if they sent a carrier to the Persian Gulf and sent a Tupolev into a recon missions over the Middle East...

              THAT would have stirred a hornet's nest...

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              • #8
                The Oil World Map - who has the most oil?

                russia does not give a ..., about the middle east.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bugs View Post
                  russia does not give a ..., about the middle east.
                  That map was of oil reserves... meaning on how much oil a nation has on hand right now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by highsea View Post
                    But I can imagine what Putin would say if the deGaulle were to conduct ops off the Russian coastline, lol....
                    Welcome to the Russian coasltline! But we will not help you to break an ice and to heat your steam boosters ;)
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MOPO3 View Post
                      Welcome to the Russian coasltline! But we will not help you to break an ice and to heat your steam boosters ;)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lwarmonger View Post
                        That map was of oil reserves... meaning on how much oil a nation has on hand right now.
                        I'm sure Russia has alot more reserves than has been discovered. Middle East, on the other hand... it's probably all been discovered by now.
                        "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by highsea View Post
                          Carrier. Not plural.

                          The Kusnetsov. I doubt if they are even doing flight ops. There are less than a dozen operable SU-33's, and a serious lack of pilots.

                          But I can imagine what Putin would say if the deGaulle were to conduct ops off the Russian coastline, lol....
                          They are doing flight ops.
                          The Kuznetsov carries not only su-33's, but also su-25's and helicopters.

                          By the way, the russian ships not only conducted their ops near the european coastline. For example, there were also joint naval manoeuvres with the French, then with Portugueses and so on, and the Moskva missile cruiser even visited Lisbon

                          Moskva




                          Kuznetsov


                          do you know what is it?




                          Last edited by foxhound_nn; 02 Feb 08,, 01:56.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                            I'm sure Russia has alot more reserves than has been discovered. Middle East, on the other hand... it's probably all been discovered by now.
                            Not what I meant... the map was of oil strategic reserves (meaning refined oil held in government stores in the event all oil is cut off).

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                            • #15
                              foxhound_nn, let me borrow one of your illustrations ;)

                              I’ve found the interesting comparison of US and US “cold war era” ship design. (Translated from Russian.)

                              Kehoe J. W. Warship Design: Ours and Theirs / The Soviet Naval Influence: Domestic and Foreign Dimensions. 1977

                              The lead comparative analysis of a level of armament of the ships of fleet of the USSR and the USA in weight measurements — a percentage share from the general displacement and amount of artillery, rocket, torpedo installations and flying devices on 1000 т displacement, has revealed almost triple superiority of the Soviet frigates and double — destroyers and cruisers.

                              In practice it meant, that the Soviet ships, being smaller on displacement and the sizes, surpassed the American analogues on armament in two-rub (-three) times. From the point of view of foreign experts, they differed obvious overarmed, being literally « are stuffed by the weapon ». The American researchers explained this superiority beside « key distinctions in practice of designing ». The Soviet designers gave much less attention to a problem of updating of supplies on the move in the sea that allowed them to place arms on both boards of the ship and completely to occupy front and a fodder part of a main deck. Considering difficulty rearm of systems antiship and antisubmarine the rocket weapon and torpedo devices, the Soviet ship builders applied installations with greater number directing without their opportunity перезарядки from the shops placed under a main deck of the ship.

                              High saturation of the Soviet ships arms and features of its accommodation of a distance of the basis to foreign experts for a conclusion that « the Soviet design philosophy has been aimed at creation of the ships for anticipatory impact in the transient and intense conflict ». This « the Soviet approach » to arms had also a underside — the ships could not conduct long fight. But its unexpected advantage became greater conformity to tasks « demonstrations of force with a view of support of foreign policy of the state ».
                              Accommodation of a plenty of arms on a main deck « made the Soviet military ships by more terrible, irrespective of their real fighting efficiency ». In conditions of multiplied local conflicts and necessity of a constant of "demonstration of force” in the countries of " the third world” this quality appeared hardly probable not the most important.

                              But such conclusion was especially disturbing: « Owing to difficulties in use and service of the newest technically ship systems the fleet of the USA often was unable realize all potential incorporated in projects of the ships and systems of their arms. Ship systems of the SU, on the contrary, often were not so are perfect, as American, but is much easier in use and service, and used the incorporated potential much more full. As a result, in a number of areas the Soviet ships possessed the superiority above American, and the USA were not capable to compensate quantitative backlog by the qualitative superiority … ».

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