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**Parihaka** · 03 Jul 07,, 03:35

Let's see.
Charles gets Wales because the first son always does. IIRC it was a way of legitmising the crowns claim over Wales when they invaded. He also gets the Duchy of Cornwall, from which his revenue comes.
York and Wessex are Ducal titles taken into the Royal Family from previous marriages and 'acquisitions', and get trotted out according to how many sons there are.

The line of inheritance follows the male line of eldest son/daughter if no sons, so William and Harry outrank Edward and Andrew.
Notice Edward and Andrew's children are princesses but Anne's children are not.

The line of descent to Edwards daughter would require the following people to die. Elizabeth, Charles, William, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie, Edward.
For Anne to inherit it would be Elizabeth, Charles, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie, Edward, Louise.

A Prince/Princess is of royal descent, A Duke, Earl, Marquess, Viscount etc are Peers. (i.e. someone of sufficient quality/money/power to be worthy for a Royal to associate with)

Edit: Dukes are of Royal blood, Earls and below can be elevated from the masses

**glyn** · 03 Jul 07,, 09:48

Originally posted by Parihaka View Post

Let's see.
Charles gets Wales because the first son always does. IIRC it was a way of legitmising the crowns claim over Wales when they invaded. He also gets the Duchy of Cornwall, from which his revenue comes.
York and Wessex are Ducal titles taken into the Royal Family from previous marriages and 'acquisitions', and get trotted out according to how many sons there are.

The line of inheritance follows the male line of eldest son/daughter if no sons, so William and Harry outrank Edward and Andrew.
Notice Edward and Andrew's children are princesses but Anne's children are not.

The line of descent to Edwards daughter would require the following people to die. Elizabeth, Charles, William, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie, Edward.
For Anne to inherit it would be Elizabeth, Charles, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie, Edward, Louise.

A Prince/Princess is of royal descent, A Duke, Earl, Marquess, Viscount etc are Peers. (i.e. someone of sufficient quality/money/power to be worthy for a Royal to associate with)

Edit: Dukes are of Royal blood, Earls and below can be elevated from the masses

By Jove, he's got it! :) Well done, closet monarchist

**THL** · 03 Jul 07,, 15:05

Originally posted by Parihaka View Post

Notice Edward and Andrew's children are princesses but Anne's children are not.

I am a little fuzzy as to why Anne's children are not princesses. Does this mean that if some accident occured and wiped out everyone up to Anne - that her children would not inherit the throne? Why does the royal family not handle the government - Is the Tony Blair seat commanded by the royal family? Or the other way around? What is the purpose of having a King if the King does not rule? I am not positive on how Queen Elizabeth got to be Queen, so this may answer my next question.....If Charles were to be King and then passed on, would Camilla remain in the Queen's seat (or would she never be in the Queen's seat?) or would the thronedom go to Prince William at that point?

I think I find this all rather interesting.:)

**glyn** · 03 Jul 07,, 17:18

Originally posted by THL View Post

I am a little fuzzy as to why Anne's children are not princesses. Does this mean that if some accident occured and wiped out everyone up to Anne - that her children would not inherit the throne? Why does the royal family not handle the government - Is the Tony Blair seat commanded by the royal family? Or the other way around? What is the purpose of having a King if the King does not rule? I am not positive on how Queen Elizabeth got to be Queen, so this may answer my next question.....If Charles were to be King and then passed on, would Camilla remain in the Queen's seat (or would she never be in the Queen's seat?) or would the thronedom go to Prince William at that point?

I think I find this all rather interesting.:)

The principle in royal succession is 'primogeniture'. Everything goes to the first born. Should anything happen to him it goes to his sons. If they are too young the eldest uncle will act in his stead until he is old enough. In Britain the monarch has no direct power, and they are supposed to be above party politics in a constitutional monarchy. ( Although Charles has been meddling and he is thankfully not the monarch.) What QE2 does is advise the Prime Minister when so requested. As she has been on the throne since 1953 she is uniquely well informed about national and international affairs. There is no substitute for experience like that. :)

**dave lukins** · 03 Jul 07,, 18:15

Annes kids are not Princesses because she chose for them not to be

**dave angel** · 03 Jul 07,, 22:34

Originally posted by dave lukins View Post

Annes kids are not Princesses because she chose for them not to be

indeed, she chose that they had no titles at all, they are still heirs in succession (though of course they can renounce their claims should they wish).

they could be normal people, i don't think the son - can't even remember his name - hasn't been seen in public for years, they aren't part of the royal scene at all.

**dave lukins** · 03 Jul 07,, 22:42

Originally posted by dave angel View Post

indeed, she chose that they had no titles at all, they are still heirs in succession (though of course they can renounce their claims should they wish).

they could be normal people, i don't think the son - can't even remember his name - hasn't been seen in public for years, they aren't part of the royal scene at all.

Peter Mark Andrew Phillips...just to re-fresh your failing memory Dave

**Kansas Bear** · 04 Jul 07,, 04:36

Didn't Prince Charles lose an uncle to an IRA attack?? What was his name?

**Parihaka** · 04 Jul 07,, 07:22

Originally posted by Kansas Bear View Post

Didn't Prince Charles lose an uncle to an IRA attack?? What was his name?

Admiral of the Fleet Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas George Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma

**chankya** · 04 Jul 07,, 08:40

Originally posted by Parihaka View Post

Admiral of the Fleet Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas George Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma

You forgot the "KG, GCB, OM, GCSI, GCIE, GCVO, DSO, PC" part.

**Ironduke** · 04 Jul 07,, 11:39

So if Charles died before Elizabeth, the throne would pass to William upon Elizabeth's death?

**dave angel** · 04 Jul 07,, 11:46

Originally posted by Ironduke View Post

So if Charles died before Elizabeth, the throne would pass to William upon Elizabeth's death?

yup.

if Charles, William and Harry (assuming that William and Harry had no kids) all pre-deceaced Elizabeth then it would fall to Andrew, Duke of York, go through his brood, then to Edward, Earl of Wessex, his brood, and then finally to Anne, Princess Royal and her brood.

see, dead simple.

**crooks** · 04 Jul 07,, 12:24

* Reads discussion *

Sometimes I'm glad we have a Republic

, how do you remember all this stuff?

**dave angel** · 04 Jul 07,, 13:25

Originally posted by crooks View Post

* Reads discussion *

Sometimes I'm glad we have a Republic

, how do you remember all this stuff?

f*ck knows...

i suppose the one advantage of this sytstem is that it can be self-pruning, if you find there's a loon/idiot in anything remotely approaching the line of succession you can arrange for something to 'happen' to them, you know, alcoholism leading to tragic liver-failure, a decent - but bloody - war, traffic accidents in Paris tunnels, allegations of Kiddie-Fiddling leading to 'unexplained' premature deaths....

it gives you time to train, time to select, time to prune.

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