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    From the Economist Magazine:
    IT IS hard not to become fixated on personalities in the final stages of a presidential campaign. Is George Bush too pig-headed to be trusted with another four years? Is John Kerry too much of a flip-flopper? Did Mr Bush's peevish expression in the first debate display his real nature? Or is his folksy charm still preferable to Mr Kerry's Brahmin condescension? But presidential elections are not just tests of the character of the individual candidates. They are also tests of the character of the parties they lead. And this year the two parties present a study in contrasts.

    The most obvious concerns momentum. Momentum in the presidential race may shift from day to day, but momentum in the battle to become America's dominant party seems to be largely in the Republicans' direction. Forty years ago, Democrats outnumbered Republicans by two to one. Today they outnumber them by just a few percentage points. Forty years ago the Democrats had a lock on Congress. This November the Republicans have a good chance of retaining control of both the House and the Senate. Forty years ago the Democrats set the political agenda. Today the Republicans are a much more fertile source of ideas on everything from foreign policy to school reform.

    A second contrast lies in organisation. The Republican Party seems to be organised like a blue-chip corporation: directed from the top and tightly disciplined. The Democratic Party is much more of an “adhocracy”: a collection of groupuscules that have come together for the single purpose of winning this election.

    Nowhere is this clearer than in the ground war. It is generally agreed that the big prize this year will go to whichever party does the better job of getting its supporters to the polls. To this end, the Republicans have reinvented the traditional political party for the age of suburban sprawl. The party boasts an elaborate hierarchy of activists—state chairmen, county chairmen, precinct captains, local volunteers—who all have a pre-assigned role in a plan laid down in the Bush-Cheney headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. By contrast, the Democrats—ironically, given their opposition to outsourcing—have handed over most of the grunt work of registering and mobilising voters to independent groups such as MoveOn.org and America Coming Together.

    This difference is partly a function of campaign-finance law: the Democrats have been much busier exploiting loopholes in the McCain-Feingold legislation to form nominally independent organisations, known as 527s (after part of the tax code). But it has much deeper roots: the Republicans are now much more interested than the Democrats in building up their party.

    Mr Bush is one of the most enthusiastic party-builders to have occupied the White House. Several earlier presidents deliberately snubbed their parties: Richard Nixon pursued a strategy of “lonely victory” in 1972, while Bill Clinton adopted a policy of “triangulation”, adopting whatever Republican ideas seemed likely to win votes. George Bush senior didn't so much snub his party as ignore it. But his son threw all the prestige of his post-September 11th presidency behind campaigning for congressional Republicans in 2002. He has worked closely with other party-builders on Capitol Hill, particularly Dennis Hastert and Tom DeLay in the House and Bill Frist in the Senate.

    Meanwhile, the Democrats' party organisation is fraying. For decades the labour unions have provided both shoe leather and organisational glue for the Democrats. But the proportion of the workforce belonging to unions has shrunk from 30% in 1950 to 13% today. Trial lawyers have replaced trade unionists as the party's main paymasters, but they are too few in number (and too busy) to hold the party together in the same way. Women and black groups are also too focused on their own interests. The party was losing ground to single-issue pressure groups even before the 527s came along.

    The lesson from Tony Blair

    These differences in momentum and organisation make a bigger point: the Republicans have more to gain from a victory in November. Because the election is largely a referendum on Mr Bush, he can claim, if he wins, a clear mandate for his policies—particularly cutting taxes at home and smiting terrorists abroad. If Mr Kerry wins, the only mandate he will have will be for not being George Bush. In 1993, Mr Clinton had a difficult enough time holding his party together despite laying out a compelling vision of a new Democratic Party. The singularly unvisionary Mr Kerry will have to deal not just with the same struggles (for instance, between health-care reformers and deficit hawks) but also with a new civil war between the party's rabid Michael Moore faction and its more sensible Tony Blair wing.

    The second reason why the Republicans have more to gain from a victory in November is that they think they can use a second Bush term to turn themselves into America's de facto ruling party. Grover Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform, may be exaggerating when he says that “the Democratic Party is toast” if Mr Bush wins. But the Republicans have put emasculating the Democrats at the very heart of their second-term agenda. They plan to reduce its footsoldiers by contracting out hundreds of thousands of federal jobs, to reduce its income through tort reform (which may slim down the lawyers' wallets) and right-to-work laws (which will allow workers to opt out of union dues). And they plan to boost the number of people who own shares—and hence a stake in the success of the capitalist system—by beginning to privatise Social Security.

    The Republican aim is to do to the Democrats what Mr Blair has so successfully done to the Tories in Britain: marginalise them so completely that they degenerate into a parody of a political party. No wonder the Democrats are fighting so hard this year. And no wonder they hate the party-builder in the White House with such a furious passion.
    http://economist.com/World/na/displa...ory_id=3286037

  • #2
    Lets count our chickens after the eggs hatch :)


    "Forty years ago the Democrats set the political agenda. Today the Republicans are a much more fertile source of ideas on everything from foreign policy to school reform."

    "the Democrats' party organisation is fraying. For decades the labour unions have provided both shoe leather and organisational glue for the Democrats. But the proportion of the workforce belonging to unions has shrunk from 30% in 1950 to 13% today. Trial lawyers have replaced trade unionists as the party's main paymasters, but they are too few in number (and too busy) to hold the party together in the same way. Women and black groups are also too focused on their own interests. The party was losing ground to single-issue pressure groups even before the 527s came along"
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    • #3
      Well this article is just fantastic. I mean, why not right? Two party systems are for the birds anyway. Let's go ahead and see if we can't make it a one-party system! Imagine how much easier it will be to control the government when there is no oposition whatsoever. Once we achieve our goal of a one-party democracy, we'll be that much closer to achieving hereditary ascention! I only hope Jeb does better when he wears the crown in 2008. God help us all.

      Outstanding! I'm going to bake a cake and celebrate.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fonnicker
        when there is no oposition whatsoever.
        What do you think will happen to the other party's voters? They won't just evaporate, they'll vote for another party. IMHO, the Dems have gone so far left, it's about time for a change.
        No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
        I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
        even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
        He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Confed999
          What do you think will happen to the other party's voters? They won't just evaporate, they'll vote for another party. IMHO, the Dems have gone so far left, it's about time for a change.
          Ill agree with you that its time for a change, but i doubt we will see the end of the Demoncrat Party in our lifetimes as they have to many radical supporters. Besides we just cant abolish a political party.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChrisF202
            Besides we just cant abolish a political party.
            Nah, it wouldn't happen anyway. Who would stand for it? I was thinking a move from within back towards center, or the selection of another party nearer center.
            No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
            I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
            even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
            He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Confed999
              Nah, it wouldn't happen anyway. Who would stand for it? I was thinking a move from within back towards center, or the selection of another party nearer center.

              That was the point I was making. It is absurd, even for republicans, to want a political system without choices. If the dem party was lost, gathering the members into another cohesive group would be impossible. It would be like a three party system of Repub., Green, and Libert. The two minority parties would never gain enough support or money to effectively campain.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Confed999
                Nah, it wouldn't happen anyway. Who would stand for it? I was thinking a move from within back towards center, or the selection of another party nearer center.
                The democrats haven't moved further left. They've moved more towards the center, and it has alienated the true democrats who stayed put. Kerry talking about increasing military spending, special forces, and his middle of the road stance on abortion and gay rights are what let you know the party is moving towards the center.

                In my opinion, men like LBJ and to a lesser extent, JFK, represent the ideal of the democratic party.

                What evidence makes you beleive the democrats have been moving further left?

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                • #9
                  Umh, speaking as a disillusioned Democrat, there's no way the Dems are anywhere near the center. They are socialist, pure and simple. Kerry's statements are simply convenient campaign promises to garner votes. Unfortunately for him, he has a long track-record that tells us what he truly believes, and he isn't as convincing a liar as Clinton was. NOBODY elected in Massachusettes is politically centered. Socialised wellfare is not centrists, universal healthcare is not centrist, and anti-gun is not centrist. You CANNOT be centrist on abortion, you are either pro- or anti-abortion, the differences of opinion being the criteria allowing abortion. Gay rights should not even be a political issue, you are either discriminating against the population or you are not. Not allowing for civil unions IS discrimination. Marriage is technically a religious institution, and thereby should not be a concern of the state, other than the legalities involved under a marriage license, which is more of a property, healthcare, and social issue, anyway.

                  LBJ and JFK may represent ideals, but you have to consider an annoying little thing called reality.
                  The black flag is raised: Ban them all... Let the Admin sort them out.

                  I know I'm going to have the last word... I have powers of deletion and lock.

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                  • #10
                    What Horrido said...
                    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Horrido
                      Umh, speaking as a disillusioned Democrat, there's no way the Dems are anywhere near the center. They are socialist, pure and simple. Kerry's statements are simply convenient campaign promises to garner votes. Unfortunately for him, he has a long track-record that tells us what he truly believes, and he isn't as convincing a liar as Clinton was. NOBODY elected in Massachusettes is politically centered. Socialised wellfare is not centrists, universal healthcare is not centrist, and anti-gun is not centrist. You CANNOT be centrist on abortion, you are either pro- or anti-abortion, the differences of opinion being the criteria allowing abortion.
                      Well put, I understand a lot of people think that.

                      But I do disagree with the rampant generalizations you make to support your views, however. Furthermore, Kerry isn't going for socialized healthcare or the banning of guns, I don't know where you are getting that from.

                      Originally posted by Horrido
                      Gay rights should not even be a political issue, you are either discriminating against the population or you are not. Not allowing for civil unions IS discrimination. Marriage is technically a religious institution, and thereby should not be a concern of the state
                      I agree 100%. There should be no such thing as marriage at all, only civil unions.

                      And as for the part about JFK and LBJ, they WERE reality. They were actual presidents. And in the context of their time, they were more "liberal" than Kerry is for the present.

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                      • #12
                        Dems are "so far to the left"?

                        Come on. Trotsky was a leftist. Che Guevera was a leftist. Only an uninformed or willfully ignorant idiot would compare Dean or Kerry and the Democrats to European leftist parties.

                        Of course, Bush came from Texas. A state that enjoys executing the mentally retarded.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by barrowaj
                          Kerry isn't going for socialized healthcare or the banning of guns, I don't know where you are getting that from.
                          He's not touting his 1+ trillion dollar health plan anymore? He's voted against 2nd ammendment rights many times in his career.
                          No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                          I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                          even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                          He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                          • #14
                            Barrowaj, they may be generalizations, but they are neither rampant nor unsupported.

                            To start with the gun issue, we'll go with Kerry's anti-gun voting record. Granted, it is an NRA website, but that doesn't change Kerry's votes or how they erode our 2nd Ammendment rights.

                            http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?ID=162

                            What's worse, Kerry is actively lying to gun owners, and hunters, especially. I was most ammused to see him at a duckhunting photoshoot with a shotgun he tried to ban just weeks previously. I am an avid gun owner, I follow Kerry's antincs and supporters closely. He has endorsements from every anti-gun organization I can think of. He is whole-heartedly anti-gun.

                            Regarding Kerry's healthcare plan (or lack there of), this supports my statement, and seems to be a politically-neutral source:

                            http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15516

                            As for Massachusettes, I was wrong, the Gov, Lt. Gov, 7 state senators out of 40, and maybe about 7 of over 100 state Representatives are Republican, but you can still see my point, they are quite the minority. All US Senate and House Reps are Democrat.

                            Feel free to search and confirm for yourself... http://www.mass.gov/legis/

                            So, anyone that says to me they don't know where I'm getting things, it's mostly becuase I keep my eyes and ears open and do research. My question is, why don't they get it?

                            Regarding civil unions, then why be against civil unions related to polygomy, incest, or bestiality, if it's only a civil union? Where do you draw the "moral line" and what makes you qualified to judge it? In what ways, or why, do you believe marriage should not exist?

                            I did not say JFK or LBJ did not exist, I was referring to the fact their ideals do not reflect realisticly attenable goals.

                            PS--

                            Yes, Democrats, with socialized healthcare, high-taxation, social programs, over-bearing government regulation, gun control, and political correctness are far to the left.

                            Comparing Dean to socialist Europe would be far-fetched. Considering Kerry's history, education, and record, it is not far-fetched, it is accurate to equate them. You, on the other hand, are not properly defining "left" from "leftist."

                            I doubt Texas "enjoys" executing the mentally retarded, so it would be wise to refrain from insinuating such sentiment. I, personally, am against executing the mentally disabled, as they aren't capable of understanding their actions. I'd rather see them locked-away in a mental health ward where they can do no harm.
                            The black flag is raised: Ban them all... Let the Admin sort them out.

                            I know I'm going to have the last word... I have powers of deletion and lock.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              Barrowaj, they may be generalizations, but they are neither rampant nor unsupported.
                              You can find support for any kind of generalization that one wants to make. I don't think that democrats are socialists. There is a big difference-- one that exists in European politics.

                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              To start with the gun issue, we'll go with Kerry's anti-gun voting record. Granted, it is an NRA website, but that doesn't change Kerry's votes or how they erode our 2nd Ammendment rights.
                              I don't know Kerry's gun voting record, but I think it would be political suicide to try to BAN guns. Its more of a difference between having unregulated guns, and trying to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and banning certain weapons. I'll have to read up on that issue though. I do know that many democrats would be very upset if he tried to outlaw guns.


                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              Regarding Kerry's healthcare plan (or lack there of), this supports my statement, and seems to be a politically-neutral source:
                              http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15516
                              I skimmed over that doc, and it seems like they have a pretty good analysis of the plan. It is going to cost America a bunch of money, but its not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is when the government is the provider of healthcare for everyone.

                              I am an advocate of socialized medicine though. Statistically speaking, countries that have socialized healthcare have a lot better healthcare than their peers that do not. I can explain, but that will have to wait for another post. Sorry I couldn't devote more time to reading the links you gave me, I bookmarked them, and will have to go back to them. I have to get back to studying for my exams.

                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              As for Massachusettes, I was wrong, the Gov, Lt. Gov, 7 state senators out of 40, and maybe about 7 of over 100 state Representatives are Republican, but you can still see my point, they are quite the minority. All US Senate and House Reps are Democrat.
                              That's still different from nobody being politically centered. I'll bet you there are moderate democrats and repbulicans in that mix.

                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              So, anyone that says to me they don't know where I'm getting things, it's mostly becuase I keep my eyes and ears open and do research. My question is, why don't they get it?
                              Even given the same facts people will come up with different viewpoints. I think that pretty much everyone on this board is pretty well informed, but they have different perspectives.

                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              Regarding civil unions, then why be against civil unions related to polygomy, incest, or bestiality, if it's only a civil union? Where do you draw the "moral line" and what makes you qualified to judge it? In what ways, or why, do you believe marriage should not exist?
                              Whoops. I meant, the government shouldn't be involved with marriage, since it is a religious sacrement. If two people want to get a civil union so they can claim the tax benefits and be able to have hospital visitation rights and such, then that's fine. As far as polygamy, or bestiality goes, as bad as they are, I think whatever a person is doing in the privacy of their own home is their own business, as long as they aren't infringing on the rights of others.

                              Incest is a different issue though bad though because it creates a higher incidence of deformities in the gene pool, which is a burden on both the receiving person and the society that must support that person. Therefore there are reasons to not support incest. First cousins should be ok though.

                              Originally posted by Horrido
                              I did not say JFK or LBJ did not exist, I was referring to the fact their ideals do not reflect realisticly attenable goals.
                              Fine. That's your opinion. A lot of people do think they were attainable, but we were undermined by the radicalism of the time.

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