Best submahcinegun today

[Fury]

My opinion=JATIMATIC No seriously, Bizon is the best or atleast the coolest looking :) http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm
Lets see if that link works, incase it doesn't here is some specs for the Bizon
Caliber: 9x18mm PM and PMM; 7,62x25mm Tokarev; 9x19mm Luger / Parabellum
Weight: 2.1 kg w/o magazine
Length: 425 / 660 mm (buttstock folded / open)
Barrel length: ?? mm
Rate of fire: 600 - 700 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 64 rounds ( 9 mm); 45 rounds (7.62mm)
Effective range: 100 - 200 meters, depending on ammunition used

And here is for Jatimatic
Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Parabellum
Weight: 1.65 kg empty
Length: 400 mm
Barrel lenght:
Rate of fire: 650 round per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 or 40 rounds

Anyone else?

[Bill]

HK MP-10.

It's not even close.

[eMGee]

I like the latest Пистолет-Пулемет Бизон (Bizon SMG) incarnation. It's featured in one of these demonstration videos from the ИЖМАШ (IZHMASH) small arms division:

http://club.guns.ru/images/video/izhmash1.avi
http://club.guns.ru/images/video/izhmash2.avi
http://club.guns.ru/images/video/izhmash3.avi
(* I think it was either the second or third, but they're all nice. *)


Bizon SMG in operation (Spetsnaz):

http://club.guns.ru/images/video/bizon.rm

[lemontree]

Just wanted to reactivate the thread.

Would'nt the Bizon be a little in accurate with the hellical magazine under the barrel? Would'nt it the rounds tend to hit low?

[Terran empire]

UMP http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg16-e.htm
9mm .45acp .40sw all the advantages of the MP5 plus light weight polymer construction and site compatibility

[Fury]

Would'nt the Bizon be a little in accurate with the hellical magazine under the barrel? Would'nt it the rounds tend to hit low?

I don't know, you tell me :)

Submachineguns aren't meant for superb accuracy anyway.

[Terran empire]

Military SMG's are used in close quarters combat Accuracy is not all ways needed but from what i hear the MP5 is the most accurate but don't Quote me on that

[Hawk_eye]

Well since we only use the Aug's and HK Mp5 series, i will always go for the MP5, however they are some amazing smg's out there.

[Bill]

The HK SMGs are extremely accurate within their designed range limitations.

You CAN quote me on that. ;)

[Franco Lolan]

did you have one? get to use it in combat?

[Franco Lolan]

did you have one? you were a sniper, so were you forced to use it in combat?

[Bill]

I was familiarized with almost every NATO/WP issued small arms weapon in service during the late 1980s as part of my unit training.

That includes a myriad of HK weapons. Off the top of my head that list includes the HK91, 94, MP-5, P7, and P9. I've also trained on the FN FAL SLR, SA-80, AUG, FA MAS, AK-47, AKM, AKMS, AK-47, RPD, RPK, blah, blah, blah.

My issue weapons were the M-21, and the M1911A1. They are the only arms i've ever carried into comabt.

[lemontree]

The HK SMGs are extremely accurate within their designed range limitations.

You CAN quote me on that. ;)

I agree on that. In fact that was the 'accuracy' I was referring to about the Bizon. SMGs too need to be accurate especially when they are used in operations like 'hostage rescue'. Undoughtedly, the HK MP5 is the best today. But the Uzi has seen its hay day too, its a flip from an earlier Czech SMG.

[jame$thegreat]

I was familiarized with almost every NATO/WP issued small arms weapon in service during the late 1980s as part of my unit training.

That includes a myriad of HK weapons. Off the top of my head that list includes the HK91, 94, MP-5, P7, and P9. I've also trained on the FN FAL SLR, SA-80, AUG, FA MAS, AK-47, AKM, AKMS, AK-47, RPD, RPK, blah, blah, blah.

My issue weapons were the M-21, and the M1911A1. They are the only arms i've ever carried into comabt.

I must say I agree that the HK91 is a very useful and effective wepon even in todays fast pased firearms market

[The Chap]

MP4/5 and the sadly neglected R4. The latter being the most reliable firearm mankind has ever created. Really. And it's more accurate than the AK series as well as having a marginally higher fire rate.

I love it, so it must be good.