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  • Welcome to the socialist Paradise. We don't have any electricity here.

    PARIS, France -- Electricity workers have cut power to parts of France as they began a national strike against government plans to partially privatize state-owned utilities.

    About 12 percent of Electricite de France's output was cut off by wildcat strikes overnight -- plunging areas of Bordeaux in the southwest and Grenoble to the west, the officials of the Communist-linked CGT labor union told Reuters.

    Among those targeted for power cuts were conservative deputies who back changes to EdF's legal status, which could allow the sale of up to 30 percent of the utility. The draft law will also change the status of the state gas utility Gaz de France.

    Also affected by the power cuts was the Bordeaux home of Alain Juppe, a prime minister in the 1990s who now heads President Jacques Chirac's party.

    The head of the CGT urged Chirac to abandon the draft law, which parliament debates later Tuesday.

    "A decision of this nature and importance cannot be taken when there is so much controversy, when expert advice on other ways of responding to the challenges facing EdF and GdF have not been accepted," Bernard Thibault told RTL radio.

    Protest marches also were planned Tuesday in Paris and other cities.

    The government argues that changes would enable the utilities to attract private investors to help fend off growing competition in Europe's energy market, which is going through a process of deregulation.

    It insists that the utilities will not be fully privatized and that the state will remain the majority shareholder.

    Industry Minister Patrick Devedjian, whose chateau in southwestern France also had its power cut late Monday, said the government would not back down in the face of strikes.

    "In a democracy, who decides. The street or parliament? The matter is being put before parliament, You have got to be kidding me! it represents the nation and EdF belongs to the nation. Parliament will decide," he said.

    Job action late Monday and Tuesday is the latest in a series of disruptions in recent weeks.

    Last week, workers cut power supplies to three Paris railway stations, leading to the cancellation or delay of trains ferrying half a million people to work. Who the hell do they think they are?

    There also were media reports that dozens of households that had been cut off because of unpaid bills were reconnected by staff as part of protests. This is what you get with socialism. The bastards think they are entitled to shut off your electricity when they don't get their way

    http://www.fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid...eplies=6&page=1

  • #2
    Anyone remember that French communist farmer who drove his tractor through a MacDonalds?

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    • #3
      Extortion...
      No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
      I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
      even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
      He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Confed999
        Extortion...
        Can you imagine what people would do if that happened here? There'd be a lynch mob outside the power plant ready to put some heads on some pikes.

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        • #5
          *cough* California *cough*

          The major difference between this and cali is that in cali it was business who fucked with the power and in france labor fucked with the power.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ZFBoxcar
            *cough* California *cough*

            The major difference between this and cali is that in cali it was business who fucked with the power and in france labor fucked with the power.
            Yep, bad people everywhere. I believe in government regulation, just not the government doing the work, Cali is proof regulation is required.
            No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
            I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
            even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
            He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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            • #7
              Actually it has to do with the fact that left wing politicians will not allow power companies to build more power plants in California. It is not the Companies fault. After all the more juice being used the more money they make, they wouldn't purposly cut the power off to screw people.

              "Green" Protestors have caused the shutting down of numerous nuclear power plants resulting in a net loss of 2 gigawatts from the grid and they and their friends in the state senate will not allow any new power plants. In fact during the crises only one tiny 44 megawatt power plant was allowed to be built and completed.

              Putting a gun to the Companies heads didn't and isn't going to solve the problem.

              California is proff regulation is not required and only hurts.
              Last edited by Praxus; 17 Jun 04,, 03:16.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Praxus
                Actually it has to do with the fact that left wing politicians will not allow power companies to build more power plants in California. It is not the Companies fault. After all the more juice being used the more money they make, they wouldn't purposly cut the power off to screw people.

                California is proff regulation is not required.
                There's more to it than that. They have been doing what alot of power companies are doing now, cutting back on the voltage. This saves them money, costs you money and damages your electrical equipment. This has been done in Cali to the extreme. There are also accusations of artificial brown/black outs when power was available to be purchased from out of state in order to justify price increases, last I heard investigation continues. Regulation is just rules, there's nothing wrong with rules. For example, a rule could have required power plants to be built regardless of what wing was in government, right?
                No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Confed999
                  There's more to it than that. They have been doing what alot of power companies are doing now, cutting back on the voltage. This saves them money, costs you money and damages your electrical equipment. This has been done in Cali to the extreme. There are also accusations of artificial brown/black outs when power was available to be purchased from out of state in order to justify price increases, last I heard investigation continues. Regulation is just rules, there's nothing wrong with rules. For example, a rule could have required power plants to be built regardless of what wing was in government, right?
                  If they claim they are giving you a greater voltage then they are giving you, that constitutes fraud.

                  They have every right to adjust prices as long as a contract does not say otherwise. If you don't like the prices you can always put some solar panals up on your house.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Praxus
                    If they claim they are giving you a greater voltage then they are giving you, that constitutes fraud.
                    There's no regulation and nowhere else to go for power.
                    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                    • #11
                      Yes there is, you can put up solar cells. No one is stoping you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Praxus
                        Yes there is, you can put up solar cells. No one is stoping you.
                        Deed restrictions, cost, inefficency, inability to supply the required demand are all stopping me. What is your aversion to rules? Should there be no standards? Why should a monopoly be allowed to do as they please? How can this be solved without regulation, and no, solar is not the answer currently.
                        No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                        I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                        even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                        He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                        • #13
                          Power crisis in California was artificial created by the power companies with the intent of gouging. They did succeed and burdened California with billions of dollers in debt. Bush should have intervened but he refused because his buddies at Enron and other power companies were minting the money. Also Bush was indifferent because California did not vote for him.

                          Investigation into the matter has revelead price gouging and power companies have been asked to return the extra money they charged, with fine ofcourse.

                          Ask yourself, why has California not suffered another power crisis since then despite the fact that hardly any new facility have been built?
                          The answer is existing arrangement was more or less sufficient, and power companies last time had artificially created a crisis.

                          Power companies are UTILITIES, they are supposed to charge reasonable prices.
                          Last edited by ursamajor; 17 Jun 04,, 07:21.

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                          • #14
                            Praxus is right. California hadn't approved a new power plant by a time frame older then I am, something like that. We can't even do hydro here because the sirrea club nuts will sue to stop it.

                            The market wasn't allowed to work properly. They created a really flawed system, they allowed wholesale prices to soar while they used price controls for consumers, not allowing the market to work at all. Also, they forced the 3 major utilties: Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas and Electric to sell all their generating plants with the exception of the Diablo Canyon Nuclear generating plant and san onofore nuclear generating plant. Again, Government created most of the problems.

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                            • #15
                              Power companies are UTILITIES, they are supposed to charge reasonable prices.
                              What if they don't want to, are you going to jail them or perhaps point a gun at their head?

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