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  • CIA predicts Russian collapse within next ten years

    CIA angers Russia by predicting break-up of state within 10 years
    By Andrew Osborn in Moscow
    30 April 2004
    Russia's political elite has been stung by a recently declassified CIA report that suggests the world's largest country could fall apart at the seams in a decade and split into as many as eight different states.

    The report, Global Trends 2015, has sparked a lively debate in Russia about the country's territorial integrity and triggered passionate denunciations from some of Russia's leading politicians. Its unflinchingly bleak assessment of Russia's prospects has angered many at a time when the Russian government is doing its best to talk up the economy.

    The fact that the gloomy prognosis comes from its old Cold War enemy makes it all the harder for Russia to swallow. But many ordinary Russians seem to share the CIA's pessimism.

    An opinion poll conducted by radio station Ekho Moskvy earlier this week revealed that 71 per cent of those surveyed (3,380 people) thought that the disintegration of the motherland was a "real threat".

    Yesterday's Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper printed a map for its readers showing how Russia might look by 2015 if the CIA is right. It showed Siberia broken up into four different countries, with western Russia similarly partitioned.

    It is not for nothing that president Vladimir Putin's party is called United Russia. According to the CIA, some of Russia's eastern regions are so rich in natural resources such as oil and gas that they will opt to break away from Moscow, which they have long accused of poor governance.

    Komsomolskaya Pravda was dismissive of the report. "Either the CIA has super perspicacious analysts who can see what mortal Russians, including politicians and political scientists, cannot, or someone has got it wrong," it said.

    Boris Gryzlov, the speaker of the Russian parliament, said: "I completely reject the possibility of Russia breaking up.

    "Over the past four years, a lot has been done to strengthen vertical power and legislation in the constituent parts of the Russian Federation was brought into line with the constitution a long time ago."

    According to the CIA report, a falling birth rate meant that the country's population was likely to decline to 130 million by 2015 from 146 million today. It also painted a picture of Russia as a terminally ill patient.

    "The Soviet economic inheritance will continue to plague Russia," the report said. "Besides a crumbling physical infrastructure, years of environmental neglect are taking a toll on the population, a toll made worse by such societal costs of transition as alcoholism, cardiac diseases, drugs and a worsening health delivery system. Russia's population is not only getting smaller, but it is becoming less and less healthy and less able to serve as an engine of economic recover."

    Dmitry Orlov, the director of Russia's political and economic communications agency, claimed the CIA had an ulterior motive. "The conservative wing of the American Republican party is interested in the maximum weakening of Russia's position and maybe even in its fragmentation," Mr Orlov told the Izvestia newspaper

    http://news.independent.co.uk/low_re...&host=3&dir=73

  • #2
    I think this is a bit far fetched, Russia is to powerful to go anywhere. I thaught its economy has gotten better since 1991? If tyhis is true, we better secure those Russian nukes.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ChrisF202
      If tyhis is true, we better secure those Russian nukes.
      Watched too many Hollywood action movies.
      How can America possibly secure Russian Nuclear Weapons?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by s_qwert63
        How can America possibly secure Russian Nuclear Weapons?
        Easiest way would be to make sure the current Russian government is able to retain control of the weapons, and if that fails, that whoever would take control is not the type to use them. Seems this could be done with political and financial assistance, at this point.
        No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
        I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
        even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
        He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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        • #5
          Hmm, I've thought that a new Russia including Belarus and Kazahkstan, and possibly Ukraine, was a strong possibility for the future.
          "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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          • #6
            dont worry about the population, we can take care of that for our friends for life
            A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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            • #7
              And when will the world collapse?


              "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

              I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

              HAKUNA MATATA

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ray
                And when will the world collapse?
                When the good guys stop fighting the bad guys.
                No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
                I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
                even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
                He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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                • #9
                  I dont think Russia is gonna collapse in near, far or distant future...same with the world!
                  A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                  • #10
                    Russia is basically in shambles.

                    An acquaintance of mine used to live and do business in Russia. He left the coutnry because you couldnt do any business without paying off the mafia for protection. The country is completely screwed.

                    BTW does anyone have the map of the divided Russia? I would very much like to see it.
                    Brahma Sarvam Jagan Mithya
                    Jivo Brahmaiva Na Aparah

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                    • #11
                      BTW, if Russia is divided, then wouldnt China be in a good position to gobble up the smaller remnants of Siberia, and also Mongolia and other lowly populated nearby countries?
                      Brahma Sarvam Jagan Mithya
                      Jivo Brahmaiva Na Aparah

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                      • #12
                        I wouldn't bet a cent (or ruble ;)) on any "prediction" from those guys.

                        Where is "predicted" Iraqi people uprising against S.H. "that will start immedieately we enter the coutry?".
                        Where is "predicted" 9/11?

                        I could predict as easily that "USA will break-up in 20 years", results will be the same.

                        p.s. as someone said: "CIA? We don't know anything about those guys, except they screwed up again".

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                        • #13
                          Lurker, I consider the breakup of Russia to be an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario, if not a completely impossible one. Nevertheless, I am still interested in discussing the possible results of a breakup.
                          Brahma Sarvam Jagan Mithya
                          Jivo Brahmaiva Na Aparah

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by roshan
                            Lurker, I consider the breakup of Russia to be an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario, if not a completely impossible one. Nevertheless, I am still interested in discussing the possible results of a breakup.
                            Well... it's hard to discuss the results, since I view it as completely impossible.

                            Even now with all the "independence", I bet that 90% of all the businesses in former USSR are owned by russian capital (or by outside (mostly Switzerland/Offshore) companies still owned by russian capital).

                            Present trends are ... that centalised power is getting stronger not weaker, than it was before Putin. Just look at all this trials against "richest guys in the country".

                            In my opinion, times when somebody having a huge amount of money would try to create his own little "empire" are ending. And ending fast.

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                            • #15
                              Well, its kind of hard to eblieve that Russia will be able to manage such a large territory with a small and declining population.
                              Brahma Sarvam Jagan Mithya
                              Jivo Brahmaiva Na Aparah

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