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  • Bride sued for being 'ugly'.

    http://www.masslive.com/living/repub...l=1&thispage=1

    This is a new low. Surely American law would find for the defendent and hopefully allow for counter suing?

    Wednesday, July 05, 2006
    By MARLA A. GOLDBERG
    [email protected]
    SPRINGFIELD - Arranged marriages are an ancient tradition in India, but when a Belchertown family went there to meet a bride-to-be and judged her too ugly for the groom, they chose a 21st-century solution. They called the wedding off, and the groom's father is now suing for damages.

    Vijai B. Pandey, 60, filed a lawsuit in Hampden Superior Court last month against friends who tried to arrange a marriage between his son Pranjul K. and their niece. The Pandeys, after spending money on long-distance calls and airfare, found her much too homely.

    When the Pandeys saw the bride in New Delhi last August, they were "extremely shocked to find ... she was ugly ... with protruded bad teeth, and couldn't speak English to hold a conversation," Vijai Pandey stated in the lawsuit. The woman's complexion was also cited for the broken engagement.


    Pandey's civil complaint against Lallan and wife Kanti Giri of Boyds, Md., seeks $200,000 in damages, and charges them with fraud, conspiracy and violation of civil rights, among other claims resulting in emotional distress.

    Lallan Giri, an anthrax expert who has spoken at major scientific conferences on anthrax vaccine safety, said only, "We plead not guilty, 120 percent," when reached last week. Giri referred questions to Springfield lawyer Mark J. Albano, who refused comment.

    However, the Giris' former lawyer, Matthew R. Hertz, said the conflict doesn't belong in court, and Pandey mischaracterized the original plan. "It was more of an informal 'would you like to meet her' ... no money ever changed hands that would require reimbursement," said Hertz, of Solomon, Malech & Cohen in Bethesda, Md.

    Nimai Nitai das, president of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of New England in Boston, said he hears occasionally of Hindu families seeking reimbursement for marriage arrangements gone awry. "In the U.S., sooner or later, everything winds up in court ... but I've never heard of a lawsuit about this," he said in a recent interview.

    Arranged marriages among Hindus remain "very common," Nitai das said, adding that Westerners hold misconceptions about the practice, and marriages aren't planned before a child's birth.

    Indian law sets a minimum marriage registration age of 18 for men and 21 for women. However, registration only became mandatory this year, following a decision by India's Supreme Court in February. More than third of brides in India are married before age 18, the Christian Science Monitor reported in May.

    In parts of India, contracts are still written, Nitai das said, with stipulations including the bride's dowry. However, in modern Hindu society, arranged marriage means "the families are much more active in the planning," than typical Americans, he said.

    When the Giris initially proposed a marriage between Pranjul K. Pandey, 37, and their niece, the Pandeys pointed out that Pranjul was handsome, personable and spoke English, and asked if the young woman was "equally beautiful ... and a good match," Pandey's lawsuit states.

    The Pandeys were assured that she was comparable, and would learn English. The Giris agreed to compensate Vijai Pandey "for everything," if their niece was found unsuitable, Pandey wrote.

    The Pandeys got a photo of the potential bride, but "couldn't tell much" from it. Nonetheless, they became "heavily involved by long telephone calls to India," and sent money for the woman's passport, anticipating her move to the United States after the wedding, court documents state.

    A trip to India last summer, by Vijai Pandey's wife Lalita, their daughter Pramila, and Pranjul, was to finalize Pranjul's marriage, according to the lawsuit. The Pandeys arranged for the Giris' niece, her mother and sister to travel to New Delhi from elsewhere in India, but after an Aug. 22 meeting, called the marriage off.

    Vijai Pandey asked the Giris for the compensation they promised, because they knew all along that the young woman "was homely and unsuitable and no match for Pranjul," he wrote. The Giris declined to give Pandey money, despite his phone calls to them last September, and a fax in March.

    Nitai das said brides don't have to be pretty for arranged marriages to succeed. "I have seen some very handsome men who are happy with somewhat homely women," he said. Although Nitai das doesn't know people involved in the lawsuit, he said the plaintiffs may have been "reacting to ... the misrepresentation," about the young woman.

    Lallan Giri is an executive at Emergent BioSolutions Inc. in Gaithersburg, Md., and Pandey, for reasons not fully explained, named the company as a defendant. Pandey is also suing Hertz and his law firm. Hertz sent Pandey a letter in March on the Giris' behalf, which was "extremely malicious," Pandey wrote.

    The document was a standard "cease and desist," letter, Hertz said.

    The Pandeys and Giris had been friends since 1979, when the Giris lived under "extremely humble," conditions in Amherst, the lawsuit states. Later, when Lallan Giri's career advanced and the Giris moved away, problems arose. "He started show-boating, boasting ... with (a) BMW, (a) Mansion, and acting as a big shot in a different class," Pandey wrote.

    The Giris, Pandey said in the suit, made "innumerable, uninvited ... and imposing visits" to his Belchertown home, and used his computer for personal and official business.

    In a brief phone interview, Pandey said he is a retired environmental engineer. He was once an Amherst insurance agent, according to newspaper archives.

    In 1991, Pandey was sentenced to nine months in jail following a conviction for bank fraud in Springfield's U.S. District Court. In 1994, convictions from the 1980s, for larceny and leaving the scene of property damage, were overturned in Northampton District Court, and all charges dropped.

    Pandey, who filed suit against the Giris on his own, has initiated several civil complaints since the 1980s. Defendants included Western Massachusetts judges and lawyers, an insurance company and others. Many cases were dismissed, and some were settled.

  • #2
    That is so low....obviously they must have seen this girl before....right????

    This is not what marraige should be about, how can you spend the rest of your life with someone just because thier mum and your mum are best friends?!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by platinum786
      That is so low....obviously they must have seen this girl before....right????

      This is not what marraige should be about, how can you spend the rest of your life with someone just because thier mum and your mum are best friends?!
      I'm not anti-arrange marriages, especially if they're done in the modern way. In the modern way parent's and family act as a very efficient dating service. They bring together a guy and a girl and if they hit it off, they marry otherwise no. Of course they really aren't dates, but you get to interact sufficiently with the other person. Which is ok since unlike the dating service profiles, the parents' profiles are much more detailed.

      With that said, thats just a way of parents suggesting a potential proposal, and love marriages should not be discounted off either.

      What I don't get is how people in the subcontinent readily assume a guy or a girl in America's the perfect proposal for their child. I just think they're being greedy since they just want to get to America and they won't get immigrated there on their own merit so they figure lets marry with someone no matter how horrible he or she is.

      Chances are there are going to be obvious problems in ideologies of conservatism.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Asim
        I'm not anti-arrange marriages
        Wait...you're against prostitution but you support arranged marriages? Interesting. It's wrong to offer/accept money for sex but it's ok to pimp out your daughter for marriage?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Wooglin
          Wait...you're against prostitution but you support arranged marriages? Interesting. It's wrong to offer/accept money for sex but it's ok to pimp out your daughter for marriage?
          and you know no difference between marriage and sex?

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          • #6
            OMG, this is outrageous, poor bride!

            This is one reason I've always been against arranged marriages, its anno 2006 for godsake!

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            • #7
              Hmmm thinking there are alot of women on aol that need to be dragged into court for false advertising...LMAO
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              • #8
                This reminds me inderectly of a movie East is East I think it was. Funny as hell that movie.
                Originally posted by GVChamp
                College students are very, very, very dumb. But that's what you get when the government subsidizes children to sit in the middle of a corn field to drink alcohol and fuck.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Asim Aquil
                  and you know no difference between marriage and sex?
                  Of course there's a difference. However, for this discussion which is about arranged marriage vs. prostitution there is very little difference. Either way you're ultimately selling sex, since marriage does of course include sex.

                  I guess you figure if the parents are the ones doing the pimping that makes it ok? Or does the permanence of marriage somehow justify selling off your daughter to some stranger?
                  Last edited by Wooglin; 06 Jul 06,, 19:00.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wooglin
                    Of course there's a difference. However, for this discussion which is about arranged marriage vs. prostitution there is very little difference. Either way you're ultimately selling sex, since marriage does of course include sex.

                    I guess you figure if the parents are the ones doing the pimping that makes it ok? Or does the permanence of marriage somehow justify selling off your daughter to some stranger?
                    in that case is dating pimping yourself for sex?

                    I don't know how relationships ork with you mate, but prostitution is where money is exchanged for sex as a service or commodity, dating and weddings are different to that, perhaps when you grow up you'll know the difference.

                    Btw i suggest you take your foot out of your mouth, it's unhygenic.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asim Aquil
                      This is a new low. Surely American law would find for the defendent and hopefully allow for counter suing?
                      So let me get this right- You think the girl or her family is entitled to damages because the guy didn't want to marry her?

                      Based on what legal theory?

                      How would you determine the monetary amount that she should be awarded?

                      Do you think that her family's misrepresentation of her condition has any bearing on the matter?

                      Concerning the expense that the plaintiff incurred in the trip to meet her (based on the representations made to him by her family)- Is the plaintiff entitled to recover?

                      Why do you think this is a matter for the American courts anyway?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Expat Canuck
                        This reminds me inderectly of a movie East is East I think it was. Funny as hell that movie.
                        yea man....funny as hell!


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                        • #13
                          in that case is dating pimping yourself for sex?
                          For many it is, yes. Especially for those not looking to get married. The difference you fail recognize is who makes that choice for you.

                          I don't know how relationships ork with you mate, but prostitution is where money is exchanged for sex as a service or commodity
                          Right from the above article:

                          In parts of India, contracts are still written, Nitai das said, with stipulations including the bride's dowry
                          And arranged marriages are for what exactly then? Please tell me what a dowry is smart guy. How many parents are looking to marry their daughter off to the guy at the fries station? They are looking for something in return just like the prostitute is. At least the prostitute (hopefully) gets to make the decision for themselves.

                          dating and weddings are different to that, perhaps when you grow up you'll know the difference.
                          I suppose the guy in the article above just never noticed how fugly the girl was while they were dating? Oh that's right, it was an arranged marriage and there was no dating.

                          You could at least TRY to make this a challenge for me.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by highsea
                            So let me get this right- You think the girl or her family is entitled to damages because the guy didn't want to marry her?

                            Based on what legal theory?

                            How would you determine the monetary amount that she should be awarded?

                            Do you think that her family's misrepresentation of her condition has any bearing on the matter?

                            Concerning the expense that the plaintiff incurred in the trip to meet her (based on the representations made to him by her family)- Is the plaintiff entitled to recover?

                            Why do you think this is a matter for the American courts anyway?
                            noooo for suing her

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                            • #15
                              I say if two people are willing to be sold by their parents as a bride or husband - then so be it...I have no problem with it.

                              BUT...I would absolutely want a GOOD photograph before I bought anyone for any purpose. :)
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