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  • #1

    "Sar'nt"??

    Can our Army guys tell me about the one syllable slightly slang for sergeant "Sar'nt" ?

    When/why it came into use etc.

    As I understant it, it's not disrespectful, but it is a pronunciation you would use to just anybody? (excluding ceremony where you'd probably be best off saying every damn syllable in a person's name and rank )

    Is it just US Army, or does the USAF or USMC use it as well?
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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  • #2
    Originally posted by TopHatter
    Can our Army guys tell me about the one syllable slightly slang for sergeant "Sar'nt" ?

    When/why it came into use etc.

    As I understant it, it's not disrespectful, but it is a pronunciation you would use to just anybody? (excluding ceremony where you'd probably be best off saying every damn syllable in a person's name and rank )

    Is it just US Army, or does the USAF or USMC use it as well?
    Sarge or any other variation were strictly verboten in the units I've been in. So, I really can't tell you where it originated.
    "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shek
      Sarge or any other variation were strictly verboten in the units I've been in.
      You served in the Bundeswehr?


      ;)
      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by shek
        Sarge or any other variation were strictly verboten in the units I've been in. So, I really can't tell you where it originated.
        Sarge is a big time no go unless you are straight out friends with the guy, and no one is around.

        Sar'ent is fine, tis a perfectly appropriate term of respect.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by M21Sniper
          Sarge is a big time no go unless you are straight out friends with the guy, and no one is around.

          Sar'ent is fine, tis a perfectly appropriate term of respect.
          If you can call the Sargent by his first name then you can call him Sarge. It's hard to yell Sargent so that' s why the contraction ie: "Sar'ent Caldwell, FRONT AND CENTER!". The only other time I heard "Sar'ent" was when it was followed by "Major".
          Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
          (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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          • #6
            When I got to SOCOM, my soldiers called me 'Sar'nt', and there wasn't a hint of disrespect in it. Quite the opposite.

            The first time I met my only specialist (all of us were NCOs but him! Poor kid.), he was being in-processed by my senior soldier, a rather scary female. It was like a parent teaching a child how to act around an august personage (not that I qualified, but she wanted to get him started off with me RIGHT. ). She was standing behind him while he and I were talking. He messed up and said 'Yeah', when I asked him a question. I would've let it go, but she leaned in close to him and said quietly, 'You say 'Yes, Sar'nt' when you talk to NCOs, especially senior NCOs. Try again.'

            I swear, he went to 'Parade Rest', and gave a drill field 'Yes, Sar'nt' that had the whole room looking around at us to see who was getting chewed out. He couldn't see her, but she was behind him just grinning like a mule eating briars.

            She's a drill sergeant at Ft. Huachuca now, and I bet NObody forgets to call her 'sar'nt', including the officers.

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            • #7
              That musta been one dumbass Spec4. By then, a brutha should have all the protocol stuff down pat.

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              • #8
                *in Chris Tucker's voice from movie, Friday* "Hey Saarge, I was only joking. Here have some smoke. I tell ya that'd chill you out big time, Sarge"

                <couple minutes later and a series of sounds of somebody getting a whoop ass>

                "Whadda I say? I was only being friendly".

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bluesman
                  When I got to SOCOM, my soldiers called me 'Sar'nt', and there wasn't a hint of disrespect in it. Quite the opposite.

                  The first time I met my only specialist (all of us were NCOs but him! Poor kid.), he was being in-processed by my senior soldier, a rather scary female. It was like a parent teaching a child how to act around an august personage (not that I qualified, but she wanted to get him started off with me RIGHT. ). She was standing behind him while he and I were talking. He messed up and said 'Yeah', when I asked him a question. I would've let it go, but she leaned in close to him and said quietly, 'You say 'Yes, Sar'nt' when you talk to NCOs, especially senior NCOs. Try again.'

                  I swear, he went to 'Parade Rest', and gave a drill field 'Yes, Sar'nt' that had the whole room looking around at us to see who was getting chewed out. He couldn't see her, but she was behind him just grinning like a mule eating briars.

                  She's a drill sergeant at Ft. Huachuca now, and I bet NObody forgets to call her 'sar'nt', including the officers.
                  LOL I can just see the guy...

                  I got a world class ass chewing once (by a Captain) for using Sar'ent once. I never used it again. I think that he might have just not liked Americans. I've noticed most armies are similar but always do some things a little bit different. :)

                  Most of the people that called me "Sarge" were other Sturmpioneers. I wasn't insulted, I figured they earned it.
                  Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
                  (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TopHatter
                    You served in the Bundeswehr?


                    ;)


                    If he told you that he was from the SS Waffen, would that make your day? ;)


                    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                    HAKUNA MATATA

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ray


                      If he told you that he was from the SS Waffen, would that make your day? ;)
                      Not really no, I would have worried about his age!
                      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shek
                        Sarge or any other variation were strictly verboten in the units I've been in. So, I really can't tell you where it originated.
                        Same with the USMC. And unlike the other services we address our SNCOs by their
                        Full rank. Only a E-5 is addressed as a sergeant. Staff Sergeants are called Staff Sergeant(E-6), Gunnery Sergeants(E-7), can be called Gunny. About the only rank that can sometimes be given a little leeway is Master Sergeant (E-8). Depending on the individual, they MAY be addressed as "Top". Or you may get the "Top? Do I have a string hanging out of my A**? Do I spin on my Head? I'm a Master Sergeant, and will be addressed as such!"

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