USS Texas

It's a sad fact that the Iowa's are headed for this same fate. At least 1 of the museums needs to make plans to get their ship out of the water. Big cost up front but a saving in the long run. Otherwise, come the end of the century, there'll be no battleships left. With their careers over and their crews gone for good the water is no longer their home but their enemy. A dryberthed battleship would make a much better museum anyway without the water hiding half its mass.

The Massachusetts, Alabama and North Carolina have been memorial ships for 50 years. None of them are sinking. NC might, if she wasn't sitting the mud. Massachusetts is the only one of the 3 floating, and she's fine. Fresh water. She was drydocked, also. Neither NC nor Alabama have been. Cofferdam around the 'Bama, one being built around the Showboat.
I don't agree with not dry docking them first, but it's not my call.

But...those ships aren't in danger of going anywhere all this time later under the care of museum staff. The Iowas (so far) have had much better care.
 
They are in good shape but they're simply no match for water and time. Look at the Missouri and the bow flooding she suffered before her drydocking. I'm pretty sure a lot of the problems she had were only band aided as costs limited what could be done. It's thousands of dollars just for the drydock time alone.

The New Jersey being a fresh water is a plus though.

Missouri had $18 million in repairs when she was dry docked, including replacement of hull plates and a $1,000,000 dehumidification system intalled. I think she's in pretty darn good shape and will remain that way indefinitely.
 
Missouri had $18 million in repairs when she was dry docked, including replacement of hull plates and a $1,000,000 dehumidification system intalled. I think she's in pretty darn good shape and will remain that way indefinitely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWD-FEnW-ic

That's the flooding I was referring to but I really don't know the severity of the problem. I don't have a source but I'm sure I read that due to only being able to afford a limited number of very expensive drydock days the museum couldn't attend to every issue they had.

I think my pessimism comes from working on old cars and seeing what rust does and how it hides. Rust seems to do its best work where nobody can see it. In the video above the hull below the water line is totally rust covered. I understand there'd be a lot of fouling contributing to the color but there's definitely rust there. The flood effected compartments would have been cleaned but I reckon they'd now be full of little rust nests. On ships that big there is no way they'd get to every bit of rust hiding in seems etc and if you don't get every bit of it it continues munching on steel. I'm not sure how long the hull coatings are supposed to last but I couldn't see it being more than 5 or so years of 100% protection. All it take is a pinhole. Everyday the steel in the ships goes through expansion and contraction cycles that, after enough time, upset even the best coatings.

With a metal ship floating in sea water you're never preventing corrosion you're controlling it - even in service. They may be fine for the next 30-40 years but rust is called cancer for a reason. Metal that has rust can seem ok but all of a sudden it turns malignant and is everywhere. On battleships sized chunks of steel when that happens you need a naval shipyard and the federal reserve at your disposal.

It would be nice if they were still around in 100 years time but that may be unrealistic. In my mind if they're left in the water that can't happen.
 
I believe in fact Wisconsin and Iowa are required to keep the hulls in such a state that the vessels could be returned to service in an emergency, as unlikely as that is.
 
The Battleship Texas Foundation is a very small organization. Maybe it's time to admit the problem is too big for them to tackle and bring in help. No disrespect to the BTF but this is a huge undertaking and the Texas appears to be headed to the point of no return.

I had to chuckle when the linked article mentioned the Texas contaminating the Houston Ship Channel. Anyone from Texas would laugh too.
 
I believe in fact Wisconsin and Iowa are required to keep the hulls in such a state that the vessels could be returned to service in an emergency, as unlikely as that is.
You are correct. There are still Naval restrictions on those two ships. You can read them in detail in REVISION "B", Chapter 34 of my book.
 
On the Texas, would it help them if they removed some of the machinery in the main spaces to relieve the weight on the hull and frames? Not dispose of it, maybe it could be displayed ashore. My understanding is that part of the problem is the weight of the machinery on the century old structure.
 
Hi Rusty. Big fan. In fact I just ordered your book! It's arriving on Monday (Revision B). I thought I recall you mentioning on these boards that all reactivation-related requirements had since been lifted on the Iowas, or were you only referring to the New Jersey and Missouri? On that note, wouldn't those requirements have ended in 2009 when Va took possession of the Wisconsin?

Thanks for being a great resource on these boards. I'm going on a cruise next week, and I can't wait to read your book out on the high seas.
 
A few years ago the Legislature appropriated the funds to dry-dock the Texas but those funds ended up being used for repairs. Seems they just need to suck it up and spend the money needed to get the ship out of the water once and for all. I get angry that things like feral cats receive more money and attention in Texas than the historic ship. Really, no attention is paid to it except when something goes wrong and then it's quickly forgotten. Government funding is hard to come by in Texas but there is plenty of private money available if they can present a cogent plan and most importantly publicize it statewide and nationally. End rant.
 
Hi Rusty. Big fan. In fact I just ordered your book! It's arriving on Monday (Revision B). I thought I recall you mentioning on these boards that all reactivation-related requirements had since been lifted on the Iowas, or were you only referring to the New Jersey and Missouri? On that note, wouldn't those requirements have ended in 2009 when Va took possession of the Wisconsin?

Thanks for being a great resource on these boards. I'm going on a cruise next week, and I can't wait to read your book out on the high seas.

Since I'm still alive for the next few months, I'm still in contact with the rest of the founding members of the Pacific Battleship Center and those restrictions apparently have not been lifted yet.

On another note (of restrictions) when LBNSY was being put up for closure and paved over for a container terminal, Congress passed a use restriction saying that any area that used to be DOD property shall never lease out any space to the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO). When the Port of Long Beach opened up their 214 acre "Parking Lot", their main customer was Hanjin.

Hanjin went bankrupt. Guess who is parking their containers there now?

Yup! COSCO. To hell with legal restrictions, just make money.
 
Historic USS Texas Turned Over to Foundation for Maintenance & Operation

Beginning August 1, the Texas Parks & Wildlife Department has passed operational control of the Battleship Texas to the nonprofit Battleship Texas Foundation. The foundation signed a 99-year lease according to a press release from the organization.

The battleship has not been open to the public since August of 2019 in order to prepare the ship for transportation to a shipyard where it will undergo extensive repair work. The ship won’t be moved for months still.

The ship will begin moving in November or December to arrive at an unknown shipyard in January or February. The shipyard will work on the ship for around a year.

Rumors place the unidentified shipyard in Louisiana.

Once the work is completed and the Texas travels back to its home dock, it is expected to re-open for public viewing. The foundation is aiming for the first quarter of 2022 for the re-opening but no official date has been set.

Once it is re-opened to the public, the foundation will operate the ship and keep constant maintenance and preservation efforts going. The foundation will also be responsible for new experiences and programs related to the battleship.

The foundation and the department reached an understanding in 2019 which makes the foundation responsible for maintaining the ship on behalf of the department and the state of Texas.

Battleship Texas is the last remaining battleship to have participated in both World War I and World War II. Link
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The foam is an interesting solution. Did they go with the foam/tow idea because the hull couldn't be supported out of the water on a Heavy Lift Ship? If the goal is to replace the entire hull below the waterline that reinforces how fragile she is.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2012/05/heavy-lift-ships-and-their-impossibly.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOKA_Vanguard

Still, just to be safe, there are backup plans if the worst happens:

https://mythbusters.fandom.com/wiki/Ping_Pong_Salvage_Myth

https://www.jiskha.com/questions/61...-sink-uncle-scrooges-yacht-m-4843-kg-which-is

Ultimately, will there be any lessons learned to use on the USS Olympia? The biggest lesson being finding a funding stream.
 
I just realized I had a very tangential relationship with the USS Texas....VERY.

I went to a Catholic military prep school in Washington DC for High School.

Our Commandant of Cadets was a retired Field Artillery Colonel. I was serious about going to West Point and thought about FA as a branch. So I would spend free time with me and tell me war stories.

I remember him talking about being a forward observer at Cherbourg and calling in fire from the USS Texas.

Small world.

And I went to West Virginia so you figure out which West I went to....
 
I just realized I had a very tangential relationship with the USS Texas....VERY.

I went to a Catholic military prep school in Washington DC for High School.

Our Commandant of Cadets was a retired Field Artillery Colonel. I was serious about going to West Point and thought about FA as a branch. So I would spend free time with me and tell me war stories.

I remember him talking about being a forward observer at Cherbourg and calling in fire from the USS Texas.

Small world.

And I went to West Virginia so you figure out which West I went to....

Then your former Commandant was likely in this picture somewhere. Note the huge splash from a German 240mm gun....

USS_Texas-11.jpg
 
The foam is an interesting solution. Did they go with the foam/tow idea because the hull couldn't be supported out of the water on a Heavy Lift Ship? If the goal is to replace the entire hull below the waterline that reinforces how fragile she is.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2012/05/heavy-lift-ships-and-their-impossibly.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOKA_Vanguard

Still, just to be safe, there are backup plans if the worst happens:

https://mythbusters.fandom.com/wiki/Ping_Pong_Salvage_Myth

https://www.jiskha.com/questions/61...-sink-uncle-scrooges-yacht-m-4843-kg-which-is

Ultimately, will there be any lessons learned to use on the USS Olympia? The biggest lesson being finding a funding stream.

From what I recall reading the Texas has some extremely heavy triple expansion engines sitting on the hull bottom unlike BBs of newer years with a multiple bottom and the Texas needs it replaced.
 
Steady as she goes: Volunteers help restore Battleship Texas before dry dock repairs later this year

In a Pasadena warehouse, roughly 20 miles south of the Battleship Texas’ berth at the San Jacinto State Historic Site, a group of seven volunteers is hard at work restoring the historic ship’s anti-aircraft guns.

Twice a week, these volunteers, many of them veterans, show up at the warehouse for the tedious and unglamorous labor of helping, bit by bit, to restore the Battleship Texas to its majestic splendor. More than two dozen guns were removed from the ship over three days in March 2020 by a barge crane and hauled to warehouse space donated by NRG, where they have been disassembled, sandblasted, cleaned and repainted a sleek cadet blue.

Amid the hum and clangor of tools in the warehouse, Bruce Bramlett, the executive director of the Battleship Texas Foundation — the nonprofit that manages the ship’s museum — marveled at the progress.

“It’s pretty amazing, truly, to get to say, while we’re dealing with the (ship repairs), ‘Let's get all this off and let's get it restored so that when we're ready, we'll put it back on the trucks, take it to the shipyard, and put it all back on the ship,’” Bramlett said.

Progress being made as Battleship Texas restorations continue
The Battleship Texas has been undergoing extensive renovations since it closed to the public in early 2020. Preparations are being made to transport the ship to an as-yet-unidentified dry dock to repair its leaky hull. Volunteers continue to put hundreds of hours into repairing some of the battleship's guns, the ship's bell, and other features.

The 106-year old battleship, the last surviving dreadnought that fought in two world wars, has been closed to the public since August 2019 due to its decaying condition. The proud ship that once shelled the Normandy coast during D-Day and bombarded Okinawa in the Pacific has seen its steel hull laid waste by years of saltwater corrosion. A system of pumps constantly pushing water out of the hull is the only thing keeping the ship upright at its current berth in the Houston Ship Channel.

Texas Parks and Wildlife has spent at least $54 million maintaining and repairing the ship since 2009. The work included two phases of critical repairs to engine rooms as well as the installation of an emergency generator, additional pumps, and fuel storage to help address leaks.

A bill passed by the state Legislature and signed by Gov. Greg Abbott in 2019 provided $35 million to tow the battleship and repair it at a dry dock, a potentially risky operation. At one point, dry docks in Louisiana, Mobile, Ala., or Tampa, Fla. were floated as possible repair destinations. Bramlett said the foundation is discussing towing the ship to a dry dock in Galveston for repairs, though an agreement hasn't been finalized.

A portion of the state appropriation has gone toward getting the ship in good enough condition to tow. From July through December, a salvage company was hired by the foundation to begin a process called foaming — where the hull of the ship is fulled with polyurethane to ensure insulation and buoyancy.

“With the state appropriation, we're gonna make the ship watertight,” said Travis Davis, the vice president of ship operations for the Battleship Texas Foundation. “We went from, this time last year, 2,000 gallons per minute of water coming in the ship, and we’re less than five (gallons per minute) right now.”
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Making the voyage
The towing of the ship will likely have to wait until after hurricane season, Bramlett said. He acknowledged that while there’s always some risk to towing a vessel as old as the Texas, he’s not “overly frightened” by the prospect. The foundation has run two different virtual simulations of the towing operation for marine engineers, the Coast Guard and the Houston Pilots Association, as well as the ship’s insurers. Bramlett said all parties came away convinced that the ship could be towed safely.

“I hear people say, ‘Oh my God, we’re gonna blink and it’s gonna sink to the bottom.’ No, it’s not,” Bramlett said. “If the absolute worst happened, we’d run her aground and we’d figure out how to fix it and pull her back out. The insurance companies are convinced that’s not gonna happen, or they wouldn’t insure any of this, and we can’t move (the ship) an inch without it being insured.”

But before the ship can be safely towed 40 miles down the Houston Ship Channel there is still much more restoration work to be done in the Pasadena warehouse. Outside the warehouse staging area, rows of anti-aircraft guns and spotlights from the battleship are lined up, paint chipping and showing rust from years of wear and tear. The ship’s massive propeller, tucked away in a corner of the lot, will cost $100,000 alone to restore.

The volunteers toiling away restoring the ship’s artifacts show up at the warehouse every Wednesday and every other Saturday. While some have a mechanical background, they acknowledge that a lot of the restoration work is trial by fire.

“Most of the work we’re doing doesn’t take too many special skills,” said Calvin Bongers, 81, a Navy veteran.

“Or common sense,” joked Ward Slack, 66, also a Navy veteran. “I’ve never worked on a 3-inch (anti-aircraft) gun before.”

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Vets pitch in
Many of the volunteers are marine buffs who are eager to see the battleship restored to pristine condition — as well as to tinker with outdated machinery and artillery foreign to most modern-day ship engineers. Some of the fruits of their labor will be on display at a Battleship Texas exhibit at the Lone Star Flight Museum in south Houston in the coming weeks.

“One of the great things about this work is we get to see parts of this ship that the public has never seen,” said Ron Lewis, 72, another Navy vet.

Where the battleship ultimately ends up after the dry dock repair is anyone’s guess. Bramlett, for now, is keeping its future berth close to the vest. In January 2020, the battleship foundation solicited proposals from various organizations and cities to be the ship’s new landlord.

Galveston was among the cities floated as a possibility. The foundation commissioned an economic study by Deloitte in 2016 that projected as many as 283,000 visitors and $3 million in annual revenue if the battleship moved to Galveston. Before closing to the public, the battleship typically attracted about 88,000 visitors annually and generated $1.3 million in revenue at its current location near LaPorte and in the shadow of the San Jacinto Monument.

“One of the conditions of (the bill passed by the Legislature) was that if we’re gonna fund these repairs, when you take (the battleship) out of San Jacinto, you cannot bring her back,” Bramlett said. “The state's been pretty much supplementing the cost of operations and maintenance of the ship against a revenue stream that never got close to what the need was. And so they realize we’ve got to have much more business and more bodies paying to come on board.”
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"There will be expanded opportunities to drive leisure traffic to the park, host education programs, school field trips and large-scale corporate events," Woody said.

That above comment should always, always be taken with a grain of salt given my experience. The only part I know, first hand that will happen, is the school field trips which don't pay.
 
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