The largest anti-West demonstration in history.

And yet the west is still here chugging along..... and taking note.
 
The world has all been heading toward grand war for awhile. If anything things like this just better tell you what the sides are going to look like.
 
rj1 said:
The world has all been heading toward grand war for awhile. If anything things like this just better tell you what the sides are going to look like.
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Hmm, India aligned with Russia and China. Interestingly I don't think many Indians are trying to immigrate to Russia or China, as to the Bay Area of Northern California, given the amount of Indian patients I have.

Should note that if Trump continues to f up, as he is doing, then anything becomes possible as he squanders U.S. prestige, gained after WWII, in the next few years.
 
I'm pretty sure that the USS ENTERPRISE sailing into the Bay of Bengal was worst than anything Trump ever did.
 
I think Modi's attendance at the parade was more a case of extending a long, raised middle finger to Trump and his tariffs rather than a sign of some kind of new detente with China. That's never going to happen while their border issues continue to fester and neither side has shown the slightest interest in ceding ground (both literally or metaphorically) on this problem for decades. In other words Modi's visit was primarily about messaging, for both domestic and US consumption and even though he's hasn't said much I think it's pretty clear Trump and his senior advisors got that message.

To my mind? The ball is now in Xi's court. He has a relatively short period of time to attract India into his new grouping but to do it he's going to have to make concessions in the Himalayas which still seems unlikely, given his nationalistic approach to territorial disputes in general ever since he came to power. For that matter none of China's leaders before Xi were prepared to shift ground on the issue of Sino-Indian border disputes either. If I'm right? This also means Trump has a window of opportunity to get himslef out of the mess his own decisions got him into.

But if I'm wrong and XI was to suddenly announce in the next few weeks/months that he was prepared to change his position on the border and would make concessions and I was any US Administration, even Trumps? I'd be very, very, very alarmed. And IMO India's membership in his new grouping might just be a 'prize' XI would consider doing that for! It would change the global geopolitical situation overnight. And of course we would all have Donald to thank for it! 😠 Not that he'd ever admit it was his administration's fault in the first place of course.
 
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tbm3fan said:
Hmm, India aligned with Russia and China. Interestingly I don't think many Indians are trying to immigrate to Russia or China, as to the Bay Area of Northern California, given the amount of Indian patients I have.
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Well they're in the process of being banned from moving there now and the base want to kill the H1-B visa program. It's still up in the air because the tech people that have a lot of influence really want the H1-B visas and expanded even while everyone else MAGA are heavily against. I think the latter are going to win unless the tech people give Trump even more control over them than he already has (we now own 10% of Intel).

By the way, there's a supposed "hot mic" moment where Putin and Xi are joking with each other that they can live to 150 now with organ transplants. Trump was just incognito for a week which caused a tempest in a teapot among some online communities. My guess is it was an offhanded comment of they knew about an operation he had done.
 
Officer of Engineers said:
I'm pretty sure that the USS ENTERPRISE sailing into the Bay of Bengal was worst than anything Trump ever did.
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Actually both. That mutual suspicion, is back again to newer heights. Losing 25 years of patiently/silently working hard for a strategic alliance, by both administrations.

I once said on this very board, that US as the global policeman is fine with me. That argument of mine, however, is not something I am willing to support now. Who else then? Which country? I have none in mind. And India is not strong enough yet, to stand up to scrutiny from global peers, militarily or economically.
 
Oracle said:
This is just a horse and pony show. Nothing will come out of it.
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Because, China desires a multipolar world, but a unipolar Asia. India however, believes in a multipolar world the same as China, but with a multipolar Asia at its heart. This grouping with come crashing down in a few years, Indo-China I mean. And this is not even a grouping. It is India hedging. Mind you, India is preparing for a war with China, not with Pakistan. Pakistan can and will be punished randomly at will now.
 
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Because, China desires a multipolar world, but a unipolar Asia. India however, believes in a multipolar world the same as China, but with a multipolar Asia at its heart. This grouping with come crashing down in a few years, Indo-China I mean. And this is not even a grouping. It is India hedging. Mind you, India is preparing for a war with China, not with Pakistan. Pakistan can and will be punished randomly at will now.
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You need to less nationalist and more rational.
 
Oracle said:
Please explain what's irrational in the post you quoted?
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"Pakistan can and will be punished randomly at will now."

Provide me a source that is open on their identity and is not Indian that states this in a reasoned thought-out analysis of the brief conflict earlier this year.
 
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Already did. KJU declared himself a world leader standing amongst Putin and Xi. Can't say he's wrong. He's a power in the UKR.
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He's got nukes. I've read a few articles comparing North Korea to Iran after the conflict earlier this year and saying the lesson of the conflict is be like North Korea, not Iran.
 
rj1 said:
He's got nukes. I've read a few articles comparing North Korea to Iran after the conflict earlier this year and saying the lesson of the conflict is be like North Korea, not Iran.
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India has nukes. Doesn't make her a deciding power in the UKR.
 
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