Statquo and OOE Club: Canadian Politics

Well if all Carney is interested in is creating jobs and not military effectiveness? I suggest he relaunch construction the De Havilland Mosquito! Long ranged and with a useful payload, especially when equipped with modern weapons! De Havilland is a Canadian company after all and Canada could produce all the timber it would need for the air frame so...? 😏
 
The mixed fleet is pretty well confirmed.

So do you run the F-35 for NORAD and the mainland and the Gripen for NATO overseas ops? I understand the politics of it but I don’t understand the operational plans?
 
It's just conjecture at the moment. It could very well be the F-35 is the guiding platform and the GRIPEN are the munition trucks. The F-35 identifies the targets and guide the missiles fired from the GRIPENs onto their targets. In scenarios I've read, one F-35 can guide missiles from 5 GRIPENs.
 
It's just conjecture at the moment. It could very well be the F-35 is the guiding platform and the GRIPEN are the munition trucks. The F-35 identifies the targets and guide the missiles fired from the GRIPENs onto their targets. In scenarios I've read, one F-35 can guide missiles from 5 GRIPENs.
Which is what has been talked about in the US i.e. F-15s and 18s following along behind and being given targeting information by F-35s.
 
Speaking of military spending. Did anyone else see the big announcement recently about Canada signing a agreement with Australian to spend 2.5 billion AUD buying components of Australia's long range JORN radar system for it's polar surveillance program.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06...lion-dollar-over-horizon-radar-deal/106827724

My first thought was that Canada has a very technically demanding job ahead of it given the ionospheric environment over the poles is far more chaotic/complex than the relatively mild 'space weather' you get down around the middle latitudes where JORN currently operates. And since JORN relies on ionospheric bounce for both range and sensitivity? The complexity of the regional magnetosphere/ionosphere is going to be a issue. That said I also know that the Canadian Government has been doing research into the issue for decades now so unless the Canadian Government was very very silly? Then presumably they consulted with both Canadian and Australian experts to confirm whether or not a modified version of JORN would work for them before proceeding with the deal. At least I hope for Canada's sake they did!
 
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Canadian peacekeepers' cemetery in Gaza completely destroyed, satellite imagery shows

Families of Canadian servicemen buried in Gaza say they want the government to do more to protect their loved ones' remains. Some say they would like to see their relatives — the last Canadian soldiers to be buried overseas — removed from a cemetery that has been repeatedly damaged by the Israel Defense Forces and brought home.

Twenty-two Canadians are buried at the Gaza War Cemetery in the Tuffah district of Gaza City, all of whom lost their lives during the UN's first major peacekeeping operation that began following the Israeli invasion of Egypt in 1956.

Aerial images reviewed by CBC's visual investigations team show that the IDF has progressively destroyed headstones, dug berms with heavy earthmoving equipment, parked tanks and other armoured vehicles around the site and triggered explosions that saw a section of the Canadian peacekeeper plot blown into the air.

The sisters of two of the men buried in that plot, Paul Picard of Quebec and Adriaan Bons of Ontario, spoke to CBC News about their concerns for their brothers' remains.

"It's like there's no headstones anymore. It just looks like dirt, gravel, sand," said Lia Bons after viewing before and after aerial images of the site.

"There's nothing standing even of the surrounding homes."

Bons said she was glad her parents were not alive to witness the "total destruction" of their son's last resting place.

Marguerite Picard says she wishes to rebury her brother alongside their parents.

"I'm quite certain that my parents would want my brother to be repatriated," she said. "I would put him next to mom and dad, and have his name written on the headstone, so that people know he's there."

CBC News reached out to the IDF to ask about the cemetery and was put in touch with an officer of the 401st Brigade Combat Team of the IDF, who said his unit had dug to a depth of 20 to 30 metres in the cemetery to destroy a tunnel that cut under it. He said the work occurred under combat conditions and no precautions were taken to protect the remains of soldiers buried in the plot, which is administered by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC).

In a Hebrew-language social media post in 2025, the IDF referenced an operation that aimed to collapse what it called a Hamas tunnel near "a cemetery" in Gaza City.

CBC's visual investigations team was able to geolocate that video and confirm that it shows the Gaza War Cemetery. A chain of underground explosions can be seen in the video, with three large explosive plumes of debris rocketing skywards. One of those bursts occurs at the southeast corner of the cemetery compound, where the 22 Canadian peacekeepers lie.

Dust lofts off the ground along lines running between those explosions, suggesting that the blast did run through underground passages.

Reduced to rubble, then blown up​

Because the IDF does not allow journalists near the site, CBC News has only been able to examine it using satellite imagery.

That imagery shows massive damage to the site even before August 2025, with above-ground structures reduced to rubble.

But the CBC News analysis of explosive charges that appear to have been detonated between Aug. 3 and Aug. 4, 2025, clearly suggest damage deep underground.

The IDF posted its video of the demolition operation on the morning of Aug. 7.

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No representative of the Canadian government has been able to visit the site, and neither has anyone from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. The local Jaradeh family, who have tended the cemetery for four generations, were forced to flee that area as the IDF advanced. They are now in Egypt.

It was once standard practice to bury Canadian soldiers who died overseas in theatre, but the policy changed in 1970.

The 22 men who died in the UN peacekeeping mission to Gaza and Sinai were the last to be buried overseas.

A fiery crash in the desert​

One of them was Paul Picard, the only son in a family of girls in Beauharnois, Que., who became a pilot officer in the Royal Canadian Air Force in 1964. He soon found himself in the Middle East on the peacekeeping mission that would win a Nobel Peace Prize for its chief advocate, the Canadian foreign minister Lester Pearson.

He flew Dakotas and Twin Otters, delivering supplies to the forces that separated the Israeli and Egyptian combatants in the desert. The young officer became engaged to a British woman living in Beirut.

Picard signed up for a second tour, and as the end of his time in the Middle East approached, he was offered a job by Air Canada flying DC-8s.

Picard was already training the officer who would replace him when his plane developed mechanical issues and crashed soon after take-off.

Lia Bons and her sister were returning home from school when they saw an unfamiliar car in their driveway.

"I remember [my father] out on the grass outside the house leaning, like kneeling, on the grass and just crying and wailing. Because he's their first-born son, right? Their baby," she said.

Adriaan Bons's father was the only member of the family who was ever able to make the trip to the cemetery, in 1986 — a period of relative quiet in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Lia says the family often missed having a place to visit Adriaan. The destruction of the Gaza cemetery now compounds that.

"It's bad enough that he's buried in a faraway land," she said. "But to be disturbed like that, like, having the cemetery destroyed is just totally … it really hurts my heart. It's devastating. How dare they? How could anyone do that?"

Damage continues in 2026​

Recent satellite images of the Tuffah area show that the IDF has continued to damage the site.

At some point between April 5 and April 16, the archway to the Canadian plot — which had at least partly survived the explosion of August 2025 — appears to have been destroyed.

Jake Godin, who works with the digital research group Bellingcat in Washington, D.C., told CBC News that the IDF did extensive damage to both the main cemetery and the attached Canadian and Indian plots during the first half of April.

"We saw essentially the construction of a massive berm following along the IDF's yellow line [line of control]. We see essentially the Canadian section be completely destroyed," he said.

"The wall is gone, the archway is gone. There's a large dirt berm and a dirt roadway."

"The lack of access to the Gaza War Cemetery is still preventing confirmation of damage, forensic assessment or timelines," Josh Bueckert of Veterans Affairs told CBC News. "As a result, the CWGC cannot send their staff to do a full assessment of the situation."

Canadian officials would not tell CBC News what steps they have taken with the government of Israel.

"Canada is deeply troubled by reports that the Gaza War Cemetery was damaged," Brittany Fletcher of Global Affairs Canada told CBC News. "Canada underscores in the strongest possible terms the importance of ensuring that historical and memorial sites dedicated to those who served are preserved with the utmost respect."

She said Global Affairs would not "comment on confidential state-to-state communications among officials," but added that the department "has been in touch with local authorities," without specifying who those authorities were.

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Bring our men home!
Normally, I'd still insist there's something to say for letting fallen soldiers lie in the ground they died trying to take or keep. But in this case? I'd seriously consider removing the bodies asap. While also issuing a public statement to the effect that since we can no longer trust Israel to respect or honor our fallen the bodies of the servicemen and women involved both need and deserve to be moved to somewhere where their graves can never be desecrated by Israel again.
 

The Canadian Who Steered Europe Away From the U.S

Facing threats from Trump, Mark Carney emerged as a central figure in a project to reshape the Western alliance

Mark Carney swept to power on a backlash to President Trump’s talk of making Canada the 51st state, which many Americans took for mere shtick. But for the new prime minister, reading intelligence reports detailing the gravity of the crisis, it was a breaking point.
In private phone conversations with Carney’s predecessor, Justin Trudeau, Trump had threatened to scrap the 1908 agreement delineating their shared border. “I tear that up and your whole country unravels,” Trump told Trudeau in one call, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Over dinner at Mar-a-Lago, Trudeau’s envoys tried to dissuade Trump from absorbing their country. When one Trump aide pointed out Canada’s 41 million people would lean Democrat, the president came up with a neat solution: just split the northern neighbor into two states, one red, the other blue.

Now, as Carney took charge in early 2025, he commissioned a sensitive review that he would discuss one-on-one with his closest aides, in his office or aboard the jet officially callsigned CanForce 1: How dependent was Canada on one particular country for its data storage, military hardware, payments processing and even food?

It was Carney’s first crack at a riddle that would come to bedevil governments on both sides of the Atlantic. What to do when your closest ally turns into a threat?

His prescription in large part would lay in Europe, where Carney, a former Bank of England governor, had made his past and now saw Canada’s future. The Canadian banker who never before held elected office would emerge as an unexpected central figure in a high-stakes project to reshape the economic and military community known as the West.

Since World War II the alliance had worked like a wheel: The U.S. as the indispensable hub and the rest as spokes. Carney argued that Canada and Europe would have to build an alternative model, a “dense web of connections” that wouldn’t overly depend on any single country. His approach contrasted to that of another influential leader, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, who was encouraging Europe to double down on its relationship with Trump—whatever it took to keep America from abandoning the alliance.

They represented opposing poles of a years-old debate coming to a boil in Europe, with the U.K., like Rutte, betting heavily on its special relationship with Washington. France, conversely, was eager to build up Europe’s own sovereign defense base and technology, from quantum computing to AI systems held outside America. Carney would try to sway the outcome, without provoking the superpower that imports three-quarters of Canada’s goods.

In effect, a push to make Canada America’s 51st state had lighted a fuse of unintended consequences that would play out far beyond North America, as overseas allies asked themselves whether the U.S.-led alliance could truly last.

The Wall Street Journal spoke to heads of government, their ministers and top aides to reconstruct the closed-door meetings where the alliance began to splinter. The Journal was able to review detailed notes taken by some participants. This is the second in a two-part series revealing the contents of deliberations among America’s allies over how they might salvage their alliance—or prepare for its unraveling.

White House spokeswoman Olivia Wales said, “President Trump believes Canada and all other NATO countries must take greater responsibility for their own defense. They should have been there for the United States when we were in the middle of the successful Operation Epic Fury” against Iran. “President Trump will not allow our country to be taken advantage of,” she added.

On Thursday, the president posted an article about Canada’s economic difficulties on Truth Social, annotated with two words: “51st State!”

Unlikely radical​

The first prime minister born in Canada’s Northwest Territories, Carney was an unlikely radical, a picture of the global elite Trump campaigned against. An alumnus of Harvard, Oxford and Goldman Sachs who became the first foreigner to run the Bank of England, he kept two cellphones, even as prime minister: one Canadian and another with a British number, and list of contacts, from his time in London.

Steering the British pound after the European debt crisis delivered a lasting lesson in how a global economy engineered for efficiency had grown dangerously dependent on a single fragile point: America and its greenback. As bank governor, he proposed a “synthetic hegemonic currency” that middle-sized economies could use as a dollar alternative. The IMF’s chief economist in Washington called the idea “intriguing,” but “improbable,” saying the U.S. dollar’s strength flowed from America’s “institutions, the rule of law.”

Carney’s brainchild barely registered, in part because he floated it the same week of August 2019 that news broke of another outrageous proposal that at first seemed like a joke: Trump wanted to buy Greenland.

And yet now, as Canada’s leader, Carney would make an expanded version of the same case to America’s closest allies—that the entire global security system was too dependent on Uncle Sam. His own staff struggled to keep up as he texted European leaders he’d known from the finance world, like Rothschild banker Emmanuel Macron, now France’s president; onetime chairman of BlackRock’s German subsidiary, Friedrich Merz, now German chancellor; and the European Investment Bank’s Alexander Stubb, now Finland’s president.

Just two days after assuming office, Carney traveled not to Washington—a conventional first stop for a new Canadian prime minister—but to France. Standing alongside Macron at Paris’s Élysée Palace, he called Canada “the most European of non-European countries.”

Over a private lunch, the two leaders animatedly exchanged ideas on how France and Canada could help each other dial down their reliance on America. Canada had the critical minerals needed by France, whose state-backed tech firms were taking early steps into the U.S.-dominated spheres of AI and quantum computing.

French diplomats joked that since Canada and Denmark share a land border on an uninhabited Arctic island off Greenland, that could make the North American country a legitimate candidate to gain fast-track membership in the EU. Carney laughed.

Special relationships​

The reception was more restrained in London, Carney’s next stop. Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s administration had been startled when Trudeau’s government discreetly asked British intelligence chiefs to start discussing how they might band together if the U.S. left Five Eyes, the U.S.-led intelligence-sharing alliance. MI6 turned them down, as the vast majority of intelligence that flowed through that club came from Washington. The idea never gained traction, Canadian officials said, and Carney didn’t try to resurface it.

Starmer was more aligned with Rutte’s conviction that they could salvage the Western alliance by flattering Trump, and he had avoided publicly mentioning the president’s campaign to annex a British Commonwealth nation.

One gesture of support came from King Charles III, Canada’s head of state, who symbolically planted a red maple tree in Buckingham Palace’s garden. When the king made plans to visit Canada, Starmer was nervous about provoking the U.S. president, according to officials involved in those discussions.

Like Carney, Starmer was undertaking a strategic review, reassessing how Britain could defend its interest in a changing world. But by the time Carney visited, the report, now drafted, broached a question Starmer’s office found provocative: What if America abandoned their “special relationship?“

Fiona Hill, Trump’s top Russia adviser in his first term and now a co-author of the British report, was skeptical about Washington’s staying power. She shared her thoughts with Carney, who had served with her on Harvard’s Board of Overseers. Trump, argued Hill, was America’s answer to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, weakening a superpower he meant to strengthen. She failed to move Starmer’s team, who put the report through months of edits to reaffirm the importance of U.S. ties.

Carney would have to try again to bring Starmer on board in November, when they headed to the G-20 in South Africa. The U.S. was boycotting in protest of what Trump had called “white genocide,” which gave Carney more time with Macron, Finland’s Stubb, and Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, all of whom shared his perspective. Starmer was still cautious, though—the West had to salvage its relationship with America, he told Carney. “We don’t have a relationship to keep!” Carney replied.

In Trump’s first term, Canadian officials maintained a line of communication to the White House through a sometimes-informal network of businessmen and politicians who had the president’s ear. But the cast of characters shifted in the second term, leading to frustration.
When one of Carney’s European counterparts mentioned their difficulties with the personalities in the second administration, two Canadian officials said he responded: “I have to deal with these guys every day.”

One rare constant was Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner. Shortly before Carney took power, the Ottawa government was desperate to rebut Trump’s unsupported claims that Canada had become a major source of fentanyl. Asked for advice, Kushner suggested they produce a video that might persuade the president that they were serious about border security, according to the Canadian officials.

Trudeau’s government hired a film crew to capture two Black Hawk helicopters and a sniffer dog on patrol. Instead of placating Trump, it seemed to fuel his interest in revisiting the placement of the border.

Under Carney, Canadian senior officials began reading clinical studies on impulsivity to understand Trump’s psychology, or biographies of his business and media career. They speculated that his bid for Canada was a negotiating tactic aimed at “price discovery.” In other words, propose an outrageous idea and test the market reaction.

Some aides had a different theory, that the whole 51st state idea was Trump’s way of kicking Trudeau as the Canadian leader’s poll numbers were down. But Carney eventually discovered that he, too, had a target on his back. By the end of 2025, the U.S. had imposed steep tariffs on Canada, and trade talks were frozen, with Trump publicly offering a way Canada could avoid tariffs: “You become 51.”

Canadian officials looked for support in Europe. But few leaders spoke out. The EU had its own trade deal with Trump by then, taking the crisis between two NATO allies as background noise.

A single stone thrown from Mar-a-Lago would shatter that false calm.

The Greenland gambit​

Katie Miller, wife of Trump’s deputy chief of staff, was dining with the president in January, hours before special forces captured Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro, and noticed Trump was in a ruminative mood.

“I wish I had more time,” Trump said. “If I had more time, I would do Greenland.”

“You do have time,” she reassured him. On Jan. 3, with Maduro now in U.S. custody, she thumbed out a provocative single word tweet: “SOON,” she posted on X, with an American flag covering Greenland.

The intervention, echoed by White House officials, was the equivalent of a fire alarm across Europe. It would test Europe’s patience with Rutte’s strategy of making concessions to Trump and push a critical mass of leaders to see the U.S. as Carney had warned: a country willing to weaponize its dominance over allies.

In Denmark, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen convened a series of emergency briefings with intelligence chiefs who viewed the overture as serious—not a bluff—and who were identifying the U.S. as a potential military threat: “The possibility of employing military force—even against allies—is no longer ruled out,” a report from the Danish Defense Intelligence concluded.

On Jan. 6, she and Carney joined other leaders in a gilded hall of the Élysée Palace in Paris for a prescheduled meeting of Ukraine’s backers. Before it began, the leaders huddled under the rococo ceiling and chandeliers started urgently discussing Greenland. Trump’s pointmen for Ukraine, Steve Witkoff and Kushner, were in another room, giving Frederiksen time to lobby European counterparts, seeking support for Danish and Greenlandic sovereignty.

“This is not about you or me,” she kept repeating, “this is about European solidarity in a time of crisis.” Carney, on the sidelines, was pitching his ideas of tethering Canada closer to Europe.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in town to rally military support against Russia, looked exhausted as Witkoff entered and launched into a speech less focused on the battlefield situation or the breakdown in the alliance than the economic opportunities awaiting Ukraine if it made peace with Putin. As he proposed that Zelensky could get a trade deal with America and a reconstruction effort overseen by BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, one European aide wrote a note to give her prime minister.

We can no longer rely on America, it said. “All we have is international law.”

That day the White House floated the possibility of using military force to acquire Greenland. France’s defense ministry reached out to the Pentagon for clarification on the administration’s intentions, but didn’t get a clear answer. Diplomats posted to NATO’s arched-glass headquarters in Brussels began grabbing each other in their offices and huddling in regional groupings, according to people close to the talks, discussing whether their alliance was breaking apart. Denmark was already equipping Arctic troops for an unthinkable: a shooting war with America.

Rutte was furiously messaging Trump, trying to save the alliance. Carney, meanwhile, was on CanForce 1—his team preferred to simply call it by the name of its European maker, the Airbus—to China, where he would ink a “new strategic partnership” with Xi Jinping.

In his Beijing hotel suite, Carney watched the news from Greenland play out on the TV and debated with aides whether Trump’s demands would outlast him and become U.S. policy. He was due to make a keynote address at the World Economic Forum in Davos—one day before Trump’s own speech there—and wanted to frame it as a wake-up call. With his team, he workshopped lines they hoped would be like a bucket of ice water, including a slogan Carney had used before: “Nostalgia is not a strategy.”

Carney’s visit to China—the first by a Canadian leader after nearly a decade of testy relations—went smoothly, to the surprise of his advisers. The Chinese had researched how urgently Canada needed non-American buyers for its canola seed, and easily agreed to lower agricultural tariffs in return for Canada welcoming 49,000 Chinese electric cars. “We take the world as it is,” Carney told reporters. “Not as we wish it to be.”
On the way to Switzerland, on a stopover in Doha, he woke at 4 a.m. to write his Davos speech in a single two-hour sitting.

Trump watched from Air Force One as Carney delivered the speech, the Davos crowd rising in rapturous applause for his rallying cry for Western nations to stand up to great powers or “be on the menu.” Canada was “ungrateful,” Trump complained to aides. Carney, without mentioning the U.S., went further than any Western leader in defining a manifesto against Trump’s governing style: “You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination,” he said.

The former Bank of England chief was in his element that evening, filtering through the Swiss mountain resort where he was so well connected that he was on a first-name basis with the Canadian pianist playing Billy Joel’s “Piano Man” at the Hotel Europe’s VIP party, where guests praised his speech.

NATO’s Rutte, meanwhile, was closing in on a rough agreement with Trump, whose upcoming Davos speech was being billed as the moment the alliance could die. The secretary-general was offering a vague plan to avoid an impending trade war. European leaders, led by Macron, were threatening to hit America with a mix of tariffs and other retaliatory moves they’d nicknamed the bazooka. U.S. bond yields were hitting five-year-highs, driving up America’s borrowing costs.

When Rutte stepped past a navy blue NATO flag to meet the president, he faced an entourage of five Trump cabinet members all wearing matching Florsheim dress shoes. The Dutchman inhabited the now-familiar role of empathetic counselor. “We can help,” Rutte said, proposing that NATO could boost security in the Arctic. The president dropped his threat of military force.

But Trump still had choice words for Carney, when he gave his speech that day. “Canada lives because of the United States,” he said. “Remember that, Mark, the next time you make your statements.“

‘Buying time’​

The next evening, top EU leader António Costa brought nearly 30 heads of government into the European Council headquarters known as “The Space Egg,“ for what became an emotional, five-hour conversation about the U.S. that some called “therapy night.” A tired EU diplomatic service official called Carney’s National Security Council afterward to say the meeting had been a before-and-after moment in Europe’s relationship with America.

The Europeans made plans to meet again, this time on Feb. 12, in a Belgian castle built by the Knights Templar, for a discussion Costa slated under “a new geoeconomic context.” Arriving leaders knew how sensitive the conversation would be. Each was required to drop their cellphones into a signals-blocking case. They would discuss how they, alongside Canada, were ramping up a daunting campaign to build tech and defense capabilities that wouldn’t be under American control.

Their plan was evolving into a delicate, two-step maneuver. Rutte was leveraging his personal relationship with Trump to keep the U.S. engaged in NATO—for as long as possible. At the same time, the allies were trying to step back from a decades-old dependency on American technology, military power, and trade, without provoking Washington.

“Leaders finally acknowledged an inconvenient truth: The European economy had lost its competitive edge,” said one of the prime ministers in the room, Bulgaria’s Rosen Zhelyazkov. “We recognized that direct confrontation with the U.S. was both unnecessary and counterproductive, the solution required buying time.”

The allies began accelerating investment in space, defense, quantum computing and payments systems—to build cloud networks, data centers and defense systems that could function without U.S. technology. On nearly every count, Europe was far behind.

Elon Musk’s 10,000 Starlink satellites were handling some of Europe’s most sensitive governmental conversations, and data their weapons used in Ukraine. The EU sped up its schedule to launch several hundred European satellites for governments to communicate securely over non-American networks.

Europe was going to have to spend hundreds of billions of dollars replicating systems America traditionally supplied. Carney, in another lunch with Macron at the Élysée Palace and during a jog through London’s Hyde Park with Finland’s Stubb, was discussing how Canada could better integrate into—and augment—those systems. In February, Canada joined a new €150 billion EU defense fund and launched the Sovereign Technology Alliance with Germany, to deepen collaboration on AI security and compute capacity.

Canadian and European officials began to meet more frequently for discussions that would have once included their American counterparts. During preparations for the G-7, officials met in the French city of Toulouse in March, discussing quantum computing, food security and AI between conversations on how Canada would join Europe’s student-exchange program, Erasmus, or its song contest, Eurovision.

Ahead of it, some of Carney’s top national security officials stopped using Starlink.

France meanwhile ordered its 2.5 million civil servants to replace Microsoft Teams and Zoom with Visio, a domestically built videoconference platform. Germany, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Belgium started rolling out their own homegrown texting services—discouraging civil servants from conducting official business on Meta Platforms’ WhatsApp. German officials complained about the clunkiness of the non-American software they were now expected to use. Germany’s parliament passed an act favoring European suppliers for its defense needs.

“Even if Biden came back it would not be the same,” said Alice Rufo, deputy defense minister of France. “The time of warnings is over. Now is the time to do.”

The Pentagon said it would retaliate if the EU enacted policies to favor domestic arms manufacturers. To smooth things over, Rutte visited the Oval Office in April, bringing papers listing how many billions of dollars in American weaponry Europe was still purchasing. “Maybe you haven’t noticed,” he said, careful not to imply the president didn’t know these facts.

The president threatened he would leave NATO. No, you won’t, Rutte pushed back.

This week, Rutte brings to the NATO summit in Ankara a catchy new slogan: “The Trump Trillion,” his rough estimate for how much more Europe and Canada have spent on defense since the president’s first term.

Carney’s team has been quietly pitching his ideas to the U.K.’s likely next Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, whose chief economic adviser was once Carney’s Bank of England deputy. He is working with Finnish President Stubb on an article, not yet published, on how their countries can navigate a shifting world order.

Over text messages, European security officials recently shared a wry joke about the fissures in the alliance that has become grimly serious: If Trump follows through on threats to leave NATO, given Canada’s geography, the alliance could at least still keep the name, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

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WSJ had a big article about the behind the scenes of NATO countries and the fact that the US is gone and the relationship isn't coming back. Something startling was that Trump threatened to tear up the Boundary Treaty of 1908 that determined borders between us. But OTOH "they began reading clinical studies on impulsivity to understand Trump’s psychology, or biographies of his business and media career. They speculated that his bid for Canada was a negotiating tactic aimed at “price discovery.” In other words, propose an outrageous idea and test the market reaction."

Also:
Fiona Hill, Trump’s top Russia adviser in his first term and now a co-author of the British report, was skeptical about Washington’s staying power. She shared her thoughts with Carney, who had served with her on Harvard’s Board of Overseers. Trump, argued Hill, was America’s answer to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, weakening a superpower he meant to strengthen.
 
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Canada rejects Trump's trade deal.

Oh well, I have stopped caring about this circus, most likely they will return to negotiations next week and there will be a 'deal' at some point. If the tariff's stay, it will cause pain to some Canadians no doubt, but there really isn't any way to deal with someone as unreliable as Trump, its no wonder when he was a businessman most reputable players just refused to deal with him. And it appears disengagement might be the only option for the next two and a half years, minimize any contact with the US under Trump, stay off his radar as much as possible, negotiate on the margins to get some relief from the worst of his impulses. After 4 years of this, I don't think anyone will trust the US again for a long time.
 

Canada rejects Trump's trade deal.

Oh well, I have stopped caring about this circus, most likely they will return to negotiations next week and there will be a 'deal' at some point. If the tariff's stay, it will cause pain to some Canadians no doubt, but there really isn't any way to deal with someone as unreliable as Trump, its no wonder when he was a businessman most reputable players just refused to deal with him. And it appears disengagement might be the only option for the next two and a half years, minimize any contact with the US under Trump, stay off his radar as much as possible, negotiate on the margins to get some relief from the worst of his impulses. After 4 years of this, I don't think anyone will trust the US again for a long time.
Carney and our trade reps saying the US was trying to reopen and change settled issues that had been verbally agreed on but were watered down in the written document. What a bunch of scumbags. Can’t even trust them in putting it to paper.
 
In the final hours of negotiations, the U.S. tried to include restrictions on Canada's ability to strike trade deals with other countries, Carney said.

"Unacceptable," the prime minister said flatly.

Plus, the U.S. tried to restrict Canada's protections of its languages, its culture and its sovereignty, Carney added. He did not provide details of what those restrictions looked like.

Carney was asked whether Canada made any requests or offers that upended trade talks, following claims made by U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer that "new demands and walk backs of other commitments" destabilized negotiations.

"No," Carney said. "We clarified what was on offer and were continually disappointed by the answers."

Our government understood, before many, that America would transform all its commercial relationships. That it would put a series of tariffs on its closest allies and use economic integration as a weapon. That its signature was written in pencil.

Canada had offered some concessions as part of the deal, including removing its retaliatory measures from last year and returning US alcohol to Canadian shops. But the US did not agree to “sensible economic terms” for core industries, including automotives. And when asked about critical minerals, Carney said Canada would never give the US “exclusive access.”

They want us to be a vassal state.
 
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They want us to be a vassal state.

Yes, the US under Trump is a threat to Canadian sovereignty. That cannot be denied. Fortunately he is old, and he will be out of office in 2 years, Maga fantasies notwithstanding. It remains to be seen if Republican governments post Trump will seek to pursue the same goals north of the border.

It can be argued that current US policy is largely driven by Trump's malignant personality and pathologies; relentlessly use leverage against those he perceives as weaker, willing to destroy relationships for small gains, not realizing that the US pretty much already has an accommodating partner to the north, the ability to project force in the Artic from Canada, easy access to Canadian resources.

Perhaps future Republican Presidents might approach the relationship in a more rational manner, though the Canada must assume that future US Governments might be more likely to seek to press leverage and force concessions as compared to before Trump
 
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Perhaps future Republican Presidents might approach the relationship in a more rational manner, though the Canada must assume that future US Governments might be more likely to seek to press leverage and force concessions as compared to before Trump
If the American public will vote for Trump twice, including a popular vote victory after January 6, who knows who they will put in office after he is gone. In other words, the US is no longer reliable.
 
If the American public will vote for Trump twice, including a popular vote victory after January 6, who knows who they will put in office after he is gone. In other words, the US is no longer reliable.
To an extent yes. It all depends though who follows him immediately after his 2nd term ends. If the Democrats can pull their heads out of their butts and choose an electable candidate they have a chance to reverse a lot of the damage Trump has done to foreign relations. A lot but not all. If that person gets two terms? Even better. But even after that? It all depends on how the Republican Party adapts post Trump. A return to less confrontational relationships with traditional US allies is still a possibility but one thing is certain it's going to take time to reset things. Trump has done enormous damage and that kind of damage takes time to repair.
 
To an extent yes. It all depends though who follows him immediately after his 2nd term ends. If the Democrats can pull their heads out of their butts and choose an electable candidate they have a chance to reverse a lot of the damage Trump has done to foreign relations. A lot but not all. If that person gets two terms? Even better. But even after that? It all depends on how the Republican Party adapts post Trump. A return to less confrontational relationships with traditional US allies is still a possibility but one thing is certain it's going to take time to reset things. Trump has done enormous damage and that kind of damage takes time to repair.
I think at the core of it, its hard to imagine a more malignant, indifferently and stupidly destructive person than Donald Trump. Even if you consider the worst idealogues in the Republican party, maybe Vance, Tucker Carlson, they have their agenda, maybe a far right agenda, but its hard to imagine them needlessly launching a trade war against a reliable ally over invented grievances that just hurts both countries, or threatening an attack on a NATO country, or even openly allying with Putin for whatever weird reason like Trump has done.
 
I think at the core of it, its hard to imagine a more malignant, indifferently and stupidly destructive person than Donald Trump. Even if you consider the worst idealogues in the Republican party, maybe Vance, Tucker Carlson, they have their agenda, maybe a far right agenda, but its hard to imagine them needlessly launching a trade war against a reliable ally over invented grievances that just hurts both countries, or threatening an attack on a NATO country, or even openly allying with Putin for whatever weird reason like Trump has done.
Still he is at heart merely a symptom of long term disgruntlement amongst US voters with the political status quo. Trump one in large part because neither party could present an alternate candidate that captured the imagination of enough voters to get them over the line. The Dems were always going to have a hard time getting three terms in the Oval office after Obama. But who could they muster to try and win it back in 2020 Biden! And he frankly had had no chance in 2024. The fact voters lost faith in Trump after one term shows at least part of the electorate saw through him after 4 years in office so 2024 was theirs to win but again what happens? The Dems blew it.
 
Still he is at heart merely a symptom of long term disgruntlement amongst US voters with the political status quo. Trump one in large part because neither party could present an alternate candidate that captured the imagination of enough voters to get them over the line. The Dems were always going to have a hard time getting three terms in the Oval office after Obama. But who could they muster to try and win it back in 2020 Biden! And he frankly had had no chance in 2024. The fact voters lost faith in Trump after one term shows at least part of the electorate saw through him after 4 years in office so 2024 was theirs to win but again what happens? The Dems blew it.
The symptom has metamorphosed into a cancer though. Trump is killing the US from the inside. And it seems intentionally.

And on the other hand, the Dems are completely incompetent. Progressives might be winning in the cities, but come election time they’re going to want one of their own at the top of the ticket. And the infighting will be life or death for the establishment. Is there anyone who can bridge that gap? Not right now.
 
The symptom has metamorphosed into a cancer though. Trump is killing the US from the inside. And it seems intentionally.

And on the other hand, the Dems are completely incompetent. Progressives might be winning in the cities, but come election time they’re going to want one of their own at the top of the ticket. And the infighting will be life or death for the establishment. Is there anyone who can bridge that gap? Not right now.
His main aim was and is personal enrichment& aggrandizement. Most of the targets in the US Governmental and legal systems he's attacked are ones that either put road blocks in the way to achieving those ends or otherwise appeal to his 'base' (and here I refer to the meaning of the word as an adjective) or his ego. There is no long term plan. That said the US is resilient and I would guess the long term/lasting effects of his 'reign' will depend on of and how badly the Republicans lose the mid terms and/or the next Presidential election. If they they lose badly enough? A lot of Trumps damage could be undone.
 
said the US is resilient and I would guess the long term/lasting effects of his 'reign' will depend on of and how badly the Republicans lose the mid terms and/or the next Presidential election. If they they lose badly enough? A lot of Trumps damage could be undone.
Even if the Dems win the presidential election, and sweep Congress, they have a two year window to undo it. That’s not enough time. And the damage has been done to their allies. We might breathe a sigh of relief when he’s gone but the relationship is broken. Instead of neighbors who invited each over for dinner and looked after each others’ kids, it will be neighbors that acknowledge one another getting out their car in the driveway and that’s it.
 
Even if the Dems win the presidential election, and sweep Congress, they have a two year window to undo it. That’s not enough time. And the damage has been done to their allies. We might breathe a sigh of relief when he’s gone but the relationship is broken. Instead of neighbors who invited each over for dinner and looked after each others’ kids, it will be neighbors that acknowledge one another getting out their car in the driveway and that’s it.
I did note that any significant chance for change depended on the Dems winning the next election as well, not just the mid terms. Two years would never be enough, not now, not ever.
 
Trump signs an executive order to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America. Lol. So embarrassing. What did that one guy say? We should rename Lake Michigan to Lake Epstein?
 
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