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Try fighting a forest fire in hilly/mountainous country after weeks of hot, dry weather in 80km windstorms so bad your air tankers can't fly.
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Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.
 
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Versus said:
Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.
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DONE DEAL !
Please send a check (in US dollars) covering the entire cost to the Governor's office, Sacramento, California, "attention Department of Fantasy Financing."
 
DOR said:
DONE DEAL !
Please send a check (in US dollars) covering the entire cost to the Governor's office, Sacramento, California, "attention Department of Fantasy Financing."
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Well, I see where this is heading but...for the sake of argument.

One "cold bomb" or lets call them Cryo bombs, charge is 53,669.01 US dollars for a ton of dry ice pellets. Add the JDAM kit to it it adds between 26.000 to 36.000 US dollars. Triggering, dispersion mechanism based on compressed co2 is 3000 US dollars we get around 100.000 us dollar per one 1 ton Cryo Bomb, 20 of those would add up to 2 million. One flight hour for B52 is around 70.000 US dollars. Which in total comes about 2.3 Million per run.

At this time, the price tag form the fires is 100 billion and rising, that is not counting the loss of life, business and overall damage to the US image in the world.

But yeah, I know, never going to happen. At least the water cannons might work, those million dollar houses have pools, they can at least stick a hose in it and provide some protection on the line.
 
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I finally understand why I was so annoyed by California. That state is absolute representation of entropy and Zero Fucks given life philosophy and attitude towards life. It boggled my mind, I couldn't understand it at all. All the tech, all the money, ocean at couple of miles from shore yet every single year they get absolutely trashed by forest fires. No efforts at early warnings, no efforts at rapid responses, no efforts at means and tactics of tackling the issue, no care of how the image of the US will be ruined by this, nothing, zero, nada, zilch,0. Just endless filibustering of meaningless politics and content creation. They can build an stealth bomber, they can build space stuff, yet they constantly fail to build an decent air fire fighting plane yet they glorify conversions as some sort of high tech wonders.
And we here imported that philosophy whole sale and the efforts show. As of yesterday, our Oil Industry is under Western sanctions and we have 60 days to sort that mess or we wont make it till next winter. Of course,we all know the result.
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Someone doesn't understand California at all. Mix no rain, super dry brush all over, hills and valleys, Santa Ana/Diablo winds with gusts up to 100 mph, an ignition source and it is off to the races. Best you can do is get out of the way and not build in hills and valleys where wind rushes through.

As for tech,money,data, services,agencies, Mother Nature will win everytime in those conditions. I've been through one and you haven't.
 
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Versus said:
Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.
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The start of the fire was spotted and reported in under 15 minutes and it didn't matter as the winds started to carry embers far and wide while forcing aircraft to stay on the ground. Otherwise some of your ideas are ...?
 
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The start of the fire was spotted and reported in under 15 minutes and it didn't matter as the winds started to carry embers far and wide while forcing aircraft to stay on the ground. Otherwise some of your ideas are ...?
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Aqueduct network, with water pumps powered by the wind turbines when the winds are strong might work. Prior to that, as a prevention, some community work by the prison population in exchange for reduced sentences, for clearing the undergrowth. But look, I am not trying to be a smart ass or a troll, although its too late for that, I am just trying to find solution for the problem and believe it or not, we also have these problems.
It is sad to see all that devastation.
 
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Aqueduct network, with water pumps powered by the wind turbines when the winds are strong might work. Prior to that, as a prevention, some community work by the prison population in exchange for reduced sentences, for clearing the undergrowth. But look, I am not trying to be a smart ass or a troll, although its too late for that, I am just trying to find solution for the problem and believe it or not, we also have these problems.
It is sad to see all that devastation.
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Strange as it may seem, you're not the first person to think about possible solutions. Prisoner fire work teams, for example, are a long and storied history here.

The California Aqueduct was built 60 years ago, and the Colorado River Aqueduct some 30 years before that. But, Mother Nature doesn't always keep the rains and snows flowing in quantities -- and over lengths of time -- to provide sufficient water. L.A. is a desert, and 10 million people need a lot of water.

Wind mills ... anyone know how well they work under extreme conditions? Off the top of my head, I'd say they have limits, but I like where you're going with that.
 
DOR said:
Strange as it may seem, you're not the first person to think about possible solutions. Prisoner fire work teams, for example, are a long and storied history here.

The California Aqueduct was built 60 years ago, and the Colorado River Aqueduct some 30 years before that. But, Mother Nature doesn't always keep the rains and snows flowing in quantities -- and over lengths of time -- to provide sufficient water. L.A. is a desert, and 10 million people need a lot of water.

Wind mills ... anyone know how well they work under extreme conditions? Off the top of my head, I'd say they have limits, but I like where you're going with that.
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Dragging a berg through Bering straight, maybe? Its fresh water, you could tow it melt it and refill water supply for situations like this. But it would need to be quick before it melts away, but with sufficient vessel or vessels it might be doable. On the second thought, it doesn't have to be water. If you could build a pipeline filled with CO2 as the fire approaches, the gas heats up and than valves open and you have the same effect. CO2 is heavy so it will stick to the ground and prevent combustion. The only issue is, and I am not a chemist, would it produce side effect like creating carbon monoxide or something even worse. Basically you would do carbon capture and use it to do something good when its needed. Its not like we lack co2 anyhow. Plus you can make a perimeter so that fire does what it nautraly does but when it gets close to homes, co2 activates and its done. You get rid of the undergrowth and spare the houses and the damage.
 
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Dragging a berg through Bering straight, maybe? Its fresh water, you could tow it melt it and refill water supply for situations like this. But it would need to be quick before it melts away, but with sufficient vessel or vessels it might be doable. On the second thought, it doesn't have to be water. If you could build a pipeline filled with CO2 as the fire approaches, the gas heats up and than valves open and you have the same effect. CO2 is heavy so it will stick to the ground and prevent combustion. The only issue is, and I am not a chemist, would it produce side effect like creating carbon monoxide or something even worse. Basically you would do carbon capture and use it to do something good when its needed. Its not like we lack co2 anyhow. Plus you can make a perimeter so that fire does what it nautraly does but when it gets close to homes, co2 activates and its done. You get rid of the undergrowth and spare the houses and the damage.
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Be sure to issue every man, woman, child, dog, cat, horse, goat, cow, sheep, (yada yada yada) with an oxygen tank!
 
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Be sure to issue every man, woman, child, dog, cat, horse, goat, cow, sheep, (yada yada yada) with an oxygen tank!
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Well, we are not trying to recreate Venus atmosphere here. But, I've analyzed the fires. Fire is not the biggest issue, winds are. Challenge, no doubt about it.
 
No conventional solution would work, either fixed or rotary wing with winds like the ones you have there. This requires some pretty extreme unconventional out of the box thinking.
 
Snow was not something I had on my Bingo Card for 2025. Been living in NW Florida for around 23 years and this is the first time its snowed enough to stick.

Local weather said we had 5-6in.

Looked out the window last Wednesday morning Asked the Wife "Remember what this stuff is?" and like the Jarhead wife she is said back "Yea, the Crap we moved down here to get away from."
 
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How much hongbao money do people give in China?

In China, a red packet or hongbao is a gift of money symbolising good luck and blessings for the New Year. However, the customs surrounding red packets vary widely across regions. ThinkChina’s Lu Lingming and Yi Jina get people from different regions of China to share their experiences.

In China, it is clear that red packet customs differ significantly, even between neighbouring provinces. In Guangdong, red packets are usually more symbolic, with even close relatives typically giving amounts between 100 and 200 RMB (approximately US$15-30). In contrast, neighbouring Fujian province has a tradition of more generous gifting, with the amount of money received in red packets possibly being ten to 100 times higher than in Guangdong. Meanwhile, residents from Sichuan, Zhejiang, Shanghai, Beijing and other regions have their own practices as well.

When asked whether the sums of money to prepare for red packets would create financial pressures, opinions varied. Many young people felt that receiving hongbaos would not feel burdensome. However, for those giving out hongbaos, some admitted feeling some financial strain, maybe due to the overall economic downturn or the transition from being a student to an adult.

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