So this just happened a few blocks away. Looks to me like she was just trying to drive off, not hit anyone or conduct a "ramming attack".
Looks like a straight up murder to me.
Looks like a straight up murder to me.
ICE Killings in Minneapolis
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Jesus tap-dancing Christ that's straight up manslaughter at least, the car wasn't even close to hitting him
I don't attend protests or political events, but people I know are attending a vigil tonight. This happened 1.5 miles away. There's hundreds if not more of these goons with badges in town now, acting with impunity and committing violence with abandon. There were helicopters in the air and other such non-sense as I shoveled ice ruts in the alleyway late this afternoon.
While ICE and CBP always had a necessary job to do over the years, not always pleasant or pretty, under this administration they've exceeded all bounds of propriety.
Trying to frame this up as "domestic terrorism" and attempted vehicle ramming, per Kristi Noem, well you know what they say, "believe me, don't believe your lying eyes."
While ICE and CBP always had a necessary job to do over the years, not always pleasant or pretty, under this administration they've exceeded all bounds of propriety.
Trying to frame this up as "domestic terrorism" and attempted vehicle ramming, per Kristi Noem, well you know what they say, "believe me, don't believe your lying eyes."
Out of curiosity, I referenced DOJ's use of force policies:
Per https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force#1-16.200
They may be circling the wagons now but when push comes to shove, Trump is going to be more than willing to spit roast this ICE agent to save his image.
WRT immigration enforcement, I understand the need to enforce immigration law but always understood enforcement to have an emphasis on targeting criminals rather than working families. And as a naturalized citizen, I have serious concerns about these recent denaturalization quotas and tacit approval from the Supreme Court allowing the feds to use ethnicity as a factor to justify a stop.
Per https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force#1-16.200
They may be circling the wagons now but when push comes to shove, Trump is going to be more than willing to spit roast this ICE agent to save his image.
WRT immigration enforcement, I understand the need to enforce immigration law but always understood enforcement to have an emphasis on targeting criminals rather than working families. And as a naturalized citizen, I have serious concerns about these recent denaturalization quotas and tacit approval from the Supreme Court allowing the feds to use ethnicity as a factor to justify a stop.
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I don't disagree. Enforcement appears to disproportionately target "blue states", which ironically has had dire consequences on the local economies of red counties who rely on undocumented immigrants for manual labor jobs. That is my perception at least, coming from someone who lives in a red county of NY.
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U.S. federal agents shot two people in Portland, police say
U.S. federal agents shot two people in Portland, Ore., who were subsequently taken to hospital, police said on Thursday afternoon while urging the local community to remain calm after heightened tensions following a separate shooting a day earlier in Minneapolis.
“Two people are in the hospital following a shooting involving federal agents,” Portland police said in a statement.
“We understand the heightened emotion and tension many are feeling in the wake of the shooting in Minneapolis, but I am asking the community to remain calm as we work to learn more,” police chief Bob Day said.
Police said they were not involved in Thursday’s shooting.
The FBI said it was probing the shooting in which the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents were involved.
“Their (people who were shot) conditions are unknown. Officers have determined the two people were injured in the shooting involving federal agents,” Portland police said in their statement.
Portland City Council President Elana Pirtle-Guiney was cited by an ABC News affiliate as saying that as far as she knew they were still alive.
“FBI Portland is investigating an agent involved shooting that happened at approximately 2:15 pm near the 10000 block of Main St. in Portland,” FBI Portland said on social media.
Further details on the circumstances of the shooting in Portland were not immediately clear.
On Wednesday, a U.S. Immigration agent’s fatal shooting of a 37-year-old mother of three in Minneapolis drew condemnation from local officials and sparked widespread protests in Minnesota and beyond.
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Yeah, maybe I'm not paying enough attention, but I'm not hearing about deployments of 2000 militarized federal agents to the streets of Dallas, Salt Lake City, Raleigh, etc. Like with Trump's attempts to impound federal funds to states that didn't vote for him, while allowing funds to states that did, we're also not seeing thousands of federal agents deployed to cities in states that voted for him.
Let's not kid ourselves, Trump has essentially mobilized and weaponized federal agencies to carry out a campaign of state terrorism against populations he thinks deserves it. This isn't about immigration enforcement or upholding our nation's laws, his measures are meant to create a climate of fear and terror among the broader populations of states that didn't vote for him. Immigration enforcement is just a pretext.
The official government DHS Twitter account recently posted this. Who are these 100 million people?
tbm3fan
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Yes, a mother of 3, and I know many mothers of 2,3,and 4 children in my practice, and none of them are violent, vicious, domestic terrorists. Trump and Bondi have reached new lows in being despicable.
tbm3fan
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Wow, I need to learn the new math where 2.5 million departure through December 2025 equals 100 million. That's like turning every $25 magically into $1000. I want some of that action.
Oh, and then there are the mindless who believe in this stuff. Who ever though our government would be so good at propaganda but obviously someone has been studying. Also obvious why those with brains need to be washed away such as people here.
There is one thing to consider, that the agent who fired was standing in front of the car. While in videos it seems clear that Good was attempting to leave the scene by turning the wheels that might not have been apparent to the ICE agent in that split second moment and he might have reasonably feared for his safety.
On the other hand it seems odd for an agent to position himself in front of a vehicle, placing himself in danger. I cant see trained law enforcement officers placing themselves in such a situation.
While rhetoric has been heated on both sides, and whatever the broader political context might be regarding the brutality of ICE, this might simply be a tragedy caused by bad decisions by both the Agent and Good.
On the other hand it seems odd for an agent to position himself in front of a vehicle, placing himself in danger. I cant see trained law enforcement officers placing themselves in such a situation.
While rhetoric has been heated on both sides, and whatever the broader political context might be regarding the brutality of ICE, this might simply be a tragedy caused by bad decisions by both the Agent and Good.
tbm3fan
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There is a set procedure for any force for approaching a vehicle so no one is in front of it. Called a tactical L. Well that is not what this officer did. Two, he is walking around carrying a cell phone filming at the time. The reason for a body cam is to keep the hands free. The agent is apparently a 20 year veteran so exactly what the hell was he doing when he is supposed to know procedure?
Aussiegunner
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She did assault the agent with the vehicle, but irrespective he looked safe by the time he took the shot. I don't know police proceedure, the only rationale I can see might be that having run into him, she had demonstrated that she was a threat to police and bystanders. That should be for prosecutors and potentially a court to decide, I don't think politicians like Trump should be offering their two cents worth.
She was just trying to drive away. So maybe he got clipped by the sideview mirror, this is not something to execute someone over. He was not in danger. There was nobody in danger down the street from her, and conversely, there were other people in danger the field of fire including other ICE agents in the direction he was shooting. She was given conflicting orders to move, get out of the car, stop, leave.
Portland Ave is a one-way street with two traffic lanes, southbound, that carries traffic leaving downtown Minneapolis to south-central Minneapolis, most heavily used in the evening. Park Ave, four blocks to the east, is a two-lane one-way carrying traffic northbound from south-central Minneapolis to downtown, most heavily used in the morning. At the time she was killed, 9:37AM, traffic is usually light on Portland Ave.
And to just re-iterate, for context, this is not a bidirectional street. It is a two-lane one-way. Both Park and Portland used to be three-lane, but each had a bike lane created, relatively recently. One carries city residents from the south-central part of the city with short commutes home from downtown in the PM, the other from home to downtown in the AM.
They could have gone around Renee Good's Honda Pilot, as ICE Agent Jonathan Ross had just done driving an even larger SUV, parking it in the same lane in front of her seconds before getting out, circling her vehicle, and eventually shooting her.
Seems to me this has more to do with the ICE agents' egos, they saw an opportunity to pick a fight and have a head-on confrontation with these people and escalate a situation. An entirely avoidable confrontation, and an entirely avoidable situation.
If they have an issue with someone parked blocking half of a one-way street, we have the Minneapolis Traffic Control department and local police with jurisdiction over that. ICE does not have jurisdiction over traffic enforcement. They could just drive around her and radio to local police there's some woman blocking a single lane on a two-lane one-way street.
But they're not here to carry out immigration enforcement to begin with. These thousands of militarized federal agents have been unleashed on a select few cities in select states in a campaign of terror and intimidation, meant to cow and scare broader populations in cities the administration doesn't like.
Again, in my opinion, immigration enforcement is just a pretext for a campaign of terror, and it seems clear that escalation, confrontation, and provocation of local non-immigrant populations is just part and parcel of their strategy.
So as someone who has lived off-and-on in Minneapolis for 14 years of my adult life, I'm intimately familiar with the area this took place in. I've driven, bicycled, and walked the location this took place over the years.
Portland Ave is a one-way street with two traffic lanes, southbound, that carries traffic leaving downtown Minneapolis to south-central Minneapolis, most heavily used in the evening. Park Ave, four blocks to the east, is a two-lane one-way carrying traffic northbound from south-central Minneapolis to downtown, most heavily used in the morning. At the time she was killed, 9:37AM, traffic is usually light on Portland Ave.
And to just re-iterate, for context, this is not a bidirectional street. It is a two-lane one-way. Both Park and Portland used to be three-lane, but each had a bike lane created, relatively recently. One carries city residents from the south-central part of the city with short commutes home from downtown in the PM, the other from home to downtown in the AM.
They could have gone around Renee Good's Honda Pilot, as ICE Agent Jonathan Ross had just done driving an even larger SUV, parking it in the same lane in front of her seconds before getting out, circling her vehicle, and eventually shooting her.
Seems to me this has more to do with the ICE agents' egos, they saw an opportunity to pick a fight and have a head-on confrontation with these people and escalate a situation. An entirely avoidable confrontation, and an entirely avoidable situation.
If they have an issue with someone parked blocking half of a one-way street, we have the Minneapolis Traffic Control department and local police with jurisdiction over that. ICE does not have jurisdiction over traffic enforcement. They could just drive around her and radio to local police there's some woman blocking a single lane on a two-lane one-way street.
But they're not here to carry out immigration enforcement to begin with. These thousands of militarized federal agents have been unleashed on a select few cities in select states in a campaign of terror and intimidation, meant to cow and scare broader populations in cities the administration doesn't like.
Again, in my opinion, immigration enforcement is just a pretext for a campaign of terror, and it seems clear that escalation, confrontation, and provocation of local non-immigrant populations is just part and parcel of their strategy.
tbm3fan
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Everywhere ICE has gone their presence has been incendiary. They are more for intimidation than anything else now and so create resentment. Then when ICE agents/people have power and guns they eventually behave like thugs. So ICE isn't much different from other security forces around the world that are used by the powers that be that are in power. Maduro had his "thugs" for intimidation.
tbm3fan
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Not the FBI I used to know. Sounds like Patel is going to control the narrative being more of a Trump toe the line than a law and order guy. Amazes me how fast things can sink if even in a stable country as compared to a typical Third World country. Thugs are thugs no matter where they are located.
I think the point is that 100 million deportations would be the ideal goal for this administration. Now we know there aren't 100 million illegal immigrants in the US, the most common figure is 14 million, so who are these other 86 million people they want to round up and deport?
Now I certainly don't think the administration is going to round up every one of these ~100 million. But that post by the official DHS twitter account, is seems obvious who they are talking about. It's just barely a dog whistle.
Let's do some math.
US population: 331 million
White-only Americans: 204 million
Black-only Americans: 41 million
Illegal Immigrants: 14 million.
331 - 204 - 41 + 14 = exactly 100 million. There's their math.
tbm3fan
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When I saw the 100 million I immediately went that is 30% of the US population. That would include more than illegals here. Would that mean green card holders are in that group? Would that mean patients of mine who are US citizens but born in India, Pakistan, Iran, and China would count? That way you can hit 100 million.
Come to think of it if you want a white evangelical country then that is what you would do.