Documentary = Afghanistan: The Price of Revenge

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Ah I love rewritten history. American demands were simple

1. Deliver to the US all al-Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan
2. Release all imprisoned foreign nationals
3. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers
4. Close immediately every terrorist training camp, and hand over every terrorist and their supporters
5. Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps for inspection

The Taliban refused, saying only that they wished to negotiate. I saw several of Zaeefs press statements prior to the campaign insisting that the US hand over any proof to the taliban before they would consider handing over Bin Laden.

As for the 'failure' of the war, the withdrawal of the bulk of conventional forces is a good idea; that does not mean the war is over. Al Jazeera is a great news organisation but in portrayal of recent political events as documentary they seriously need to pick their game up.
 
I, too, found this a fascinating re-write. Naw...not true. Infuriating would be closer. Should I be surprised that this trash was posted by Notorious Eagle?
 
Parihaka said:
Al Jazeera is a great news organisation but in portrayal of recent political events as documentary they seriously need to pick their game up.
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Al-Jazeera has lost its sheen lately, ever since the Qatari emir decided to punch above his weight in middle-eastern politics. Now, it has become a mouthpiece for the Muslim Brotherhood. Only slightly more credible than PressTV, IMO.
 
S2 said:
I, too, found this a fascinating re-write. Naw...not true. Infuriating would be closer. Should I be surprised that this trash was posted by Notorious Eagle?
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As an aside, wasn't it lovely to see Saleh again? Misrepresented as nothing more than a Mujahadeen warlord of course and totally out of context but still. He's been a busy boy apparently. What was it Musharraf called him, something about a 'lowly Panjshiri guy, why should I listen to him?'
 
cataphract said:
Al-Jazeera has lost its sheen lately, ever since the Qatari emir decided to punch above his weight in middle-eastern politics. Now, it has become a mouthpiece for the Muslim Brotherhood. Only slightly more credible than PressTV, IMO.
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I've always been curious about that development and heard an explanation by a prof from the UAE at the recent IDSA conference.

A lack of leadership exercised by the traditional powers of the region means the minnows ( UAE & Qatar) start to become ambitious.

As a result the opinion of 2 million Qataris matters more than 27 million Saudis (!)

Traditional powers are Iran, Iraq, Saudis, Egypt & Turkey.

Pushing the MB agenda is tricky for Qatar as the Saudis have a dim view of the MB.
 
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Parihaka said:
Ah I love rewritten history. American demands were simple

1. Deliver to the US all al-Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan
2. Release all imprisoned foreign nationals
3. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers
4. Close immediately every terrorist training camp, and hand over every terrorist and their supporters
5. Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps for inspection

The Taliban refused, saying only that they wished to negotiate. I saw several of Zaeefs press statements prior to the campaign insisting that the US hand over any proof to the taliban before they would consider handing over Bin Laden.
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Which part was 'rewritten'?

The Taliban position was legitimate - provide evidence and engage in negotiations to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution.
 
S2 said:
I, too, found this a fascinating re-write. Naw...not true. Infuriating would be closer. Should I be surprised that this trash was posted by Notorious Eagle?
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It is alright to sometimes accept fault and accept that the US made the wrong decisions and f***d things up through the direction she took in invading Afghanistan in 2001.
 
Agnostic Muslim said:
Which part was 'rewritten'?

The Taliban position was legitimate - provide evidence and engage in negotiations to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution.
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They hosted AQ.AQ was involved in attacks on US before 9/11 and they even declared war.Even assuming 9/11 was the greatest fake ever,the US still had legit reasons to ask the Taliban to hand over AQ,without negotiations,or suffer the consequences.

Attacking A-stan was the right thing to do.Trying to work with GIROA was the major f...k-up.The way was clear for a long time-screw GIROA,work with the tribal leaders and the local militia directly.Wherever it happened,either by SF or contractors,there are visible results,that will be the good we'll leave in A-stan.

The rest is an example of what's wrong with the West these days.Starting with enough weakness not to break Pakistan,with dubious contracts and corruption,hubris of believing everybody likes our system of government,or that the system can get equal results everywhere,fighting with both hands tied due to PC.
 
Hey the system worked in before - Japan, Eastern Europe, had some "minor" flaws in South America, so, it must fit anywhere.
 
Agnostic Muslim said:
Which part was 'rewritten'?

The Taliban position was legitimate - provide evidence and engage in negotiations to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution.
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India's spineless politicos negotiated with the Taliban during the Kandahar hijacking,we all know what happened.
 
Mihais said:
They hosted AQ.AQ was involved in attacks on US before 9/11 and they even declared war.Even assuming 9/11 was the greatest fake ever,the US still had legit reasons to ask the Taliban to hand over AQ,without negotiations,or suffer the consequences.
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The US had reasons to ask for the detention, trial, extradition of alleged AQ leaders involved in attacks on US interests, but the Taliban were also justified in asking for evidence and/or negotiations with the US before acceding to US demands.

Attacking A-stan was the right thing to do.Trying to work with GIROA was the major f...k-up.The way was clear for a long time-screw GIROA,work with the tribal leaders and the local militia directly.Wherever it happened,either by SF or contractors,there are visible results,that will be the good we'll leave in A-stan.
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Given the human and economic cost of the past ten years in the region, and the current push to arrive at a negotiated end to the Taliban led insurgency, it is pretty obvious that attacking Afghanistan was not the right thing to do.
 
It's a damned face saving lie. You and both know that a bloodbath is coming and you and I both know who's going to do the most bleeding and it ain't the ANA.
 
Agnostic Muslim said:
The US had reasons to ask for the detention, trial, extradition of alleged AQ leaders involved in attacks on US interests, but the Taliban were also justified in asking for evidence and/or negotiations with the US before acceding to US demands.


Given the human and economic cost of the past ten years in the region, and the current push to arrive at a negotiated end to the Taliban led insurgency, it is pretty obvious that attacking Afghanistan was not the right thing to do.
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Alleged?This is not a court and justice does not apply to external foes.The AQ declared war on US.They attacked US interests worldwide and they admitted so.You ally with those that declare war,you're an enemy as well.You die.Simple as that.

The conduct of the war by the command of lawyers is the single mistake in A-stan.That WILL change in the future.
 
Mihais said:
Alleged?This is not a court and justice does not apply to external foes.The AQ declared war on US.They attacked US interests worldwide and they admitted so.You ally with those that declare war,you're an enemy as well.You die.Simple as that.
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OBL actually denied being involved in the /11 attacks until after the invasion of Afghanistan, and the fact that you admit that there was no 'justice' supports my point that the Afghanistan invasion was not 'the right thing to do'.

The conduct of the war by the command of lawyers is the single mistake in A-stan.That WILL change in the future.
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The Soviets tried the other route and they fared far worse than NATO has, and I see no 'change in conduct' given that the majority of NATO forces are withdrawing from Afghanistan.
 
Doktor said:
Can you show a source that 200,000+ civilians are dead from the military operations during NATO led operation?
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I doubt he can but it does look impressive to through out the vague yet grisly phrase "hundreds of thousands of dead civilians"

Agnostic Muslim said:
OBL actually denied being involved in the /11 attacks until after the invasion of Afghanistan, and the fact that you admit that there was no 'justice' supports my point that the Afghanistan invasion was not 'the right thing to do'.
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What Mihais actually said was "The AQ declared war on US.They attacked US interests worldwide and they admitted so." And this is demonstrably true years before 9/11.

In February 1998, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri co-signed a fatwa in the name of the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, which declared the killing of North Americans and their allies an "individual duty for every Muslim" to "liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) and the holy mosque (in Mecca) from their grip". At the public announcement of the fatwa bin Laden announced that North Americans are "very easy targets". He told the attending journalists, "You will see the results of this in a very short time."
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Nice try though.
 
Agnostic Muslim said:
OBL actually denied being involved in the /11 attacks until after the invasion of Afghanistan, and the fact that you admit that there was no 'justice' supports my point that the Afghanistan invasion was not 'the right thing to do'.
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Oh please, you're a smart guy. We all know that 9/11 was orchestrated and carried out by OBL and AQ.

After an attack of that magnitude, we're supposed to say "pretty please with sugar on top?" The real failure in Afghanistan was in keeping the hounds leashed, and attempting the stupidity that is known as "nation building."
 
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