Appomattox Day

Dude, talk yourself into circles all you want. I'm not indulging your delusional fantasies anymore.

I'm talking to you. And you refuse to answer the questions.

Call me delusional, but I do answer the questions to me. You don't answer the questions to you because they prove me right and you wrong. Thus I must be delusional because you and others can't answer. So typical.

Whose traitor now? Whose conspiratorial now? Keep believing that smoke they blow up your backside, even though you have seen it is just smoke. And as you breathe it in, go ahead and sing, "Glory, glory, hallelujah...." Just gives you goose bumps don't it?

Lees
 
Actually, secession has never been disproved as the law of the land. When it was proclaimed that it would be proven by the treason trial of Jeff Davis, the yankees ran away from it.
Don't care. Secession is not legal since 1865.
No, what you said was that the firing on Sumter made the Constitution null and void. And it didn't. Secession was done under the Constitution of 1787.
So, what did the South actually wanted? A tea party?

History 101.
Lees
You're no historian. War is politics by other means. If you don't know that, you ain't fit to argue history.
 
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I'm talking to you. And you refuse to answer the questions.

Call me delusional, but I do answer the questions to me. You don't answer the questions to you because they prove me right and you wrong. Thus I must be delusional because you and others can't answer. So typical.

Whose traitor now? Whose conspiratorial now? Keep believing that smoke they blow up your backside, even though you have seen it is just smoke. And as you breathe it in, go ahead and sing, "Glory, glory, hallelujah...." Just gives you goose bumps don't it?

Lees
What are you? Twelve years old? I have to right. I have to be right. I have to be right. Go take your tantrum out somewhere else.
 
Actually, secession has never been disproved as the law of the land. When it was proclaimed that it would be proven by the treason trial of Jeff Davis, the yankees ran away from it.

No, what you said was that the firing on Sumter made the Constitution null and void. And it didn't. Secession was done under the Constitution of 1787.

History 101.

Lees
Ok, OK there's a simple way to prove your right. Why don't you approach a lawyer, put your money where your mouth is and pay him to initiate legal action on your behalf with the intention of proving secession from the Republic is legal. Your so confident your right? Prove it. We on the other hand don't need to spend so much as a dime on the issue because we're all perfectly satisfied that the question in fact has already been settled in the negative by the Supreme Court.

(Queue whiny explanation why this isn't possible.)
 
OH and BTW TopHatter. You know how in the past I may have mentioned how it would be nice if WAB could somehow attract new members?

I've changed my mind. :mad:
 
Don't care. Secession is not legal since 1865.

So, what did the South actually wanted? A tea party?


You're no historian. War is politics by other means. If you don't know that, you ain't fit to argue history.

Really? Did 1865 remove Article X of the Bill of Rights.

The South wanted to secede. And did.

Google "Jeff Davis trial was a test case for the legality of secession".

Lees
 
Ok, OK there's a simple way to prove your right. Why don't you approach a lawyer, put your money where your mouth is and pay him to initiate legal action on your behalf with the intention of proving secession from the Republic is legal. Your so confident your right? Prove it. We on the other hand don't need to spend so much as a dime on the issue because we're all perfectly satisfied that the question in fact has already been settled in the negative by the Supreme Court.

(Queue whiny explanation why this isn't possible.)

Why did you ignore my reply post #(132) to you?

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Why did you ignore my reply post #(132) to you?

Lees
Because I saw nothing worth commenting on in that post. Slavery was 'way back in history' Well thank you Captain Obvious!? But then so was Jefferson Davis and you certainly have a hard on for him going forward don't you! Why not slavery? After all by default they go hand in hand. If Davis was right? Then so is slavery because in the Confederacy under his Presidency ? It would have continued. Historically there is no other option. You have Davis? You have slavery!

But beyond that your reply to my most recent post doesn't even pretend to address the challenge I raised in that post i.e. if your so sure your right? Why not challenge the right to secession in court?

But then you do that a lot don't you? Someone proves a claim you made is wrong e.g. that there were no confederate diplomats overseas during the civil war and what happens? You ignore it and move on. Someone challenges you to take your beliefs to court if your so sure your right. You ignore it & move on.

But then that's you in a nut shell isn't it. Your proved wrong on some historical fact or asked to actually do something that might (just) actually prove your right. And what happens? Nothing!

Grow a spine.
 
Because I saw nothing worth commenting on in that post. Slavery was 'way back in history' Well thank you Captain Obvious!? But then so was Jefferson Davis and you certainly have a hard on for him going forward don't you! Why not slavery? After all by default they go hand in hand. If Davis was right? Then so is slavery because in the Confederacy under his Presidency ? It would have continued. Historically there is no other option. You have Davis? You have slavery!

But beyond that your reply to my most recent post doesn't even pretend to address the challenge I raised in that post i.e. if your so sure your right? Why not challenge the right to secession in court?

But then you do that a lot don't you? Someone proves a claim you made is wrong e.g. that there were no confederate diplomats overseas during the civil war and what happens? You ignore it and move on. Someone challenges you to take your beliefs to court if your so sure your right. You ignore it & move on.

But then that's you in a nut shell isn't it. Your proved wrong on some historical fact or asked to actually do something that might (just) actually prove your right. And what happens? Nothing!

Grow a spine.

Did you google "Jeff Davis trial for treason was a test case for the legality of secession"?

Well, you don't like me bringing up the War Between the States. That means slavery should never be brought up also. Correct? But it always is. And yet no one complains about it. Blacks and liberals love to bring up how the white man in the South were those evil slave holders. And the poor blacks just can't get over it. Then you have February as black history month. So all month long blacks get to celebrate being slaves and how they were mistreated and how the world owes them....forever. But that's ok. Just don't let that Southern white man bring up the War. He just needs to let it go.

Who said slavery was wrong? It is not ideal, but who says it is wrong.

No need to challenge secession in court as our government today operates on the lie that secession is illegal. All as a result of war. And just like you want to use Tx. vs White as proof, they would do the same. And just like you refuse the truth of that case, so do they. And just like you refuse to see that when the Federal govt. had the opportunity to try secession before the world in the Jeff Davis treason trial, and ran from it, that that was proof for the legality of secession, so they would reject the same. The courts will never admit that Jeff Davis was not a traitor. Never admit that secession is legal. Doesn't make them right, as I have shown. It just shows that lady justice doesn't wear a blindfold.

Why don't you bring up the Jeff Davis trial before a court today to have him branded legally as a traitor? That way you could silence all critics...if you can prove it. And claiming 1869 would not prove it.

I didn't ignore your claim concerning international relations. The South was blockaded. And Seward warned both Britian and France that if they acknowledge the Confederacy, it meant war. Also see the 'Trent affair' where two Southern diplomats were seized from a British ship, by a U.S. ship. It took over a month for England to get them released and averting war, but they were released. But there would be no international relations with the Confederacy. Lincoln administration made that clear.

Lees
 
OH and BTW TopHatter. You know how in the past I may have mentioned how it would be nice if WAB could somehow attract new members?

I've changed my mind. :mad:
Yeah so far all we've had is one of Trump's Dick Suckers and now this Lost Causer clown shoe. :cautious:
 
Who said slavery was wrong? It is not ideal, but who says it is wrong.


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The very vocal abolitionist element in the Northern Free States!
As well as GB and France! Yes they might want Rebel cotton for their mills and factories. But both countries had recently enacted anti-slavery legislation....!
As for not ideal...can you think of anything worse, with the exception of Death???
 
Yeah so far all we've had is one of Trump's Dick Suckers and now this Lost Causer clown shoe. :cautious:
Although I could put some of the blame on AR. It is not as though Appomattox Day is a National Holiday or one we ordinarily think of. Except, of course, for AR. It was all quiet after he posted for 16 months. I can imagine his surprise if he ever logs in and sees whoa, eight pages...:unsure:
 
The very vocal abolitionist element in the Northern Free States!
As well as GB and France! Yes they might want Rebel cotton for their mills and factories. But both countries had recently enacted anti-slavery legislation....!
As for not ideal...can you think of anything worse, with the exception of Death???

Oh yes, the abolitionist was vocal. But what made him right in what he said? The insane John Brown represented the abolitioist's. What a mentor! A murderer! A terrorist.! One who created insurrection against the South. One who was later worshipped and deified in the North.

And the North allowed John Brown to roam free in the North and meet with high up politicians, and various anti-slave organizations, and helped support John Browns attack on the South at Harpers Ferry. Was John Brown right, as he was hung for his good deeds?

The 'vocal abolitionist element' were the ones in the wrong. Not the right.

Strange isn't it? The North backed away from hanging John Brown. And the North backed away from hanging Jeff Davis. The North did what was expedient as to how they are perceived by the 'people'. They made sure they postured themselves as the defenders of the flag and freedom, fighting against that evil South. The North had and has to make slavery evil, the South evil, and they the glorious saviours of America.

Well, yes, death is worse. Good point.

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Who said slavery was wrong? It is not ideal, but who says it is wrong.
Missed this. Yeah, I say it's wrong. And you finally crossed the line. Why don't you head over to Stormfront, I'm sure your delusions will be more than welcome there.
 
Missed this. Yeah, I say it's wrong. And you finally crossed the line. Why don't you head over to Stormfront, I'm sure your delusions will be more than welcome there.
I saw that at the time and and typed a quick one line response saying basically that I was done and asking if a temporary ban wasn't in order. I just forgot to hit submit (it was late).

Anyway no time like the present. Judges?
 
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I saw that at the time and and typed a quick one line response saying basically that I was done and asking if a temporary band wasn't in order. I just forgot to hit submit (it was late).

Anyway no time like the present. Judges?
I was barely even skimming over his last few posts and only noticed it later.
 
I know you're going to read this. So, just to prove how stupid you are.

Really? Did 1865 remove Article X of the Bill of Rights.
No need. The defence of the Union is a Federal Preorgative. Defence against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
The South wanted to secede. And did.
And got proven wrong by 1865.
Google "Jeff Davis trial was a test case for the legality of secession".
I don't have to. DAVIS ONLY RETURNED TO THE US AFTER THE PARDONED. He didn't want his trial.
 
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