2025 American Political (ob-?)Scene

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InExile said:
I think Trump will try running for a third term, or atleast try to cheat to ensure that Jr or Vance win in 2028.

With all the shady stuff this administration, and the Trump family is pulling off during this term for self enrichment, if the Dems ever win again it means endless investigations and hearings and probably a real risk of prison time. And with the precedent set of weaponization of Government agencies against political opponents can one be sure that the Dems will play by the rules next time?
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Projection: "The GOPers are a bunch of criminals; can we be sure the Dems aren't, too?"
 
DOR said:
Projection: "The GOPers are a bunch of criminals; can we be sure the Dems aren't, too?"
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If Biden had an Attorney General who listened to him, even a little bit, not a Pam Bondi who seems to take orders from Trump, we would not be in the situation we are in today.

Trump would have been prosecuted for Election interference and perhaps the documents case at the very least if the proceedings had stared immediately after Jan 6th. Ofcourse he might have run and won from prison......but maybe not....
 
InExile said:
If Biden had an Attorney General who listened to him, even a little bit, not a Pam Bondi who seems to take orders from Trump, we would not be in the situation we are in today.

Trump would have been prosecuted for Election interference and perhaps the documents case at the very least if the proceedings had stared immediately after Jan 6th. Ofcourse he might have run and won from prison......but maybe not....
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And your point is ... ?
I see nothing in these statements to relate GOPer criminality to the Democrats.
Failing to prosecute a former president is not unprecedented.
 
DOR said:
And your point is ... ?
I see nothing in these statements to relate GOPer criminality to the Democrats.
Failing to prosecute a former president is not unprecedented.
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I think that when the Dems get back in power they should be willing to bend the rules to defeat the MAGA's and hold members of the Trump administration accountable.

They don't need to be as lawless as the Trump administration, but you can't be competitive in the system when the other sides always cheats and you feel bound by 'rules'
 
DOR said:
Nope.
Not a fan of out-fascisting the fascists.
I'd rather lose elections, honestly, and rule when we win with integrity.
You know, Obamaism,
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Thats admirable, but if we are heading to a more authoritarian future I would rather it be a centrist, somewhat liberal regime like Singapore rather the crazies on either side.

Besides if the MAGA's get a taste of their own medicine, perhaps they might start to appreciate the 'rules' or norms of a Democracy a bit you know, rather than just seeing them as loopholes to exploit.
 
InExile said:
Thats admirable, but if we are heading to a more authoritarian future I would rather it be a centrist, somewhat liberal regime like Singapore rather the crazies on either side.

Besides if the MAGA's get a taste of their own medicine, perhaps they might start to appreciate the 'rules' or norms of a Democracy a bit you know, rather than just seeing them as loopholes to exploit.
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Ever been to Singapore? They don't allow opposition politicians to gain any degree of support. First sign of that, and they bankrupt you so that you are no longer legally eligible to run for office. The only thing "liberal" about Singapore is that they do it (mostly) with the consent of the people, and without physical violence.

As for respecting the outcome of elections and ruling with integrity, that has absolutely nothing to do with left, right, or middle-of-the-road. George HW Bush lost, with honor. He may have been the last GOPer to do so, and in today's political spectrum he might just be a left-of-center Democrat. But, the point is this: fair, honest, open, and constitutionally valid elections do not have any claim to a certain part of the political spectrum.

Oh, and the only thing "progressive" about Obama was his popularity.
 
The US seem indeed to be moving toward a more authoritarian regime, and I fear that the question of what the Democrats will be able to do once they are in power will be postponed until much later.

By definition, Trump cannot lose an election. Prosecuting the January 6 rioters was a "grave national injustice." Big law firms are being urged to bend the knee. The military has been sent to the largest city in the largest state governed by a Democrat.
I don't see the Democrats winning an election for a long time. :(
 
Steph said:
The US seem indeed to be moving toward a more authoritarian regime, and I fear that the question of what the Democrats will be able to do once they are in power will be postponed until much later.

By definition, Trump cannot lose an election. Prosecuting the January 6 rioters was a "grave national injustice." Big law firms are being urged to bend the knee. The military has been sent to the largest city in the largest state governed by a Democrat.
I don't see the Democrats winning an election for a long time. :(
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I am not so sure about that. Trump has guts to fight, he can be reckless when really wants something bad, like Jan 6th shows. But I don't think he has the focused discipline to break down the US system of checks and balances in just 4 years.

But I believe that he will force a constitutional crisis before he is done which will require a compromise like the one of 1876; if we are lucky.

Worst case, it could be really bad, I wouldn't think it would lead to civil war, but we could definitely see violence and breakdown of order in parts of the country.
 
DOR said:
As for respecting the outcome of elections and ruling with integrity, that has absolutely nothing to do with left, right, or middle-of-the-road. George HW Bush lost, with honor. He may have been the last GOPer to do so
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Not Romney or McCain? I don't recall them denying their losses.
 
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