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  • China concealed official figures, misled world on Covid outbreak: Report

    Not surprising.
    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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    • From India to Germany, China peddles falsehoods to obscure origin of Covid

      Those bloody communists should have tanks roll over their bodies. Buggers cannot even sleep without doing propaganda.
      Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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      • That's some interesting American anti-chinese propaganda piece there.

        Because the Chinese version is far more careful in twisting Kekule's statement (which did happen, and for which he has come under scrutiny and had to defend himself here too) than the blunt pro-American agitprop that has been pushed in media in the last 10 months.

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        • Originally posted by kato View Post
          he has come under scrutiny and had to defend himself here too
          Kekule is now being scrutinized in the German public for his department's lack of actual research in virology, which his technical boss at the university of Halle considers "extremely low by national and international standards".

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          • No ‘Negative’ News: How China censored the Coronavirus
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            • She chronicled China’s crisis. Now she is accused of spreading lies
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              • Originally posted by kato View Post
                I was at the hospital here a few weeks ago (university hospital, third-largest in the country). Kinda stayed a bit longer too.

                They have a solution for these kind of people. They kick them out. Physically if necessary. Seen it happen three times in an afternoon. Anyone in the waiting zone stays in full view of the security guards at all times, conveniently posted right behind the entrance and blocking any accesses not going to the waiting zone.
                Update after a repeat visit three months later...
                1. Entrance now limited to single-door, single-line (per access route). Minimum surgical mask on hospital grounds including in front of the entrance. Entrance and exit separated. Fences make sure you don't get the usual crowd forming in front of the entrance for smoking.
                2. Immediately after entrance, fill out form with questions on :
                  1. your status (patient etc)
                  2. your infection state (for the last four weeks)
                  3. behavioral risk factors including contact to infected (for last four weeks)
                  4. Covid symptoms (current).
                3. This station is cordoned off. Forms are provided at individual tables, provided pens go in a "to desinfect" bin after use. The guard will only let you past this if:
                  1. You've desinfected your hands.
                  2. You're wearing a N95 mask, if necessary provided by them.
                  3. He's read your form in full to check whether you're allowed in and he has signed it (you take it with you to hand in at the station where you get your treatment).
                  4. Visitors in general and any escorts not medically necessary do not get past this point. Visitors to palliative/dieing patients remain allowed (one per day, unless answering any questions on the above form with "yes"; may also not be under age 16).
                4. Everyone wears N95 masks throughout the hospital.
                  1. Not wearing your N95 mask properly e.g. in the corridors may result in guards stopping you until you've seated it properly.
                  2. For treatment it may be temporarily replaced by a surgical mask, with the patient being separated for the switch. If you've had Covid in the last four weeks the hygiene officer of the station decides on how to handle it (if procedure necessary and if possible for the treatment: keep on the N95 mask throughout).
                  3. Areas without patients (e.g. technical/supply areas, offices, research labs) may be entered with only a surgical mask worn if you can provide a maximum 48-hour-old negative antigen test (which they will not do for you).
                5. Station counters for registration have deployed ticketing systems to avoid any queues forming ("take number and wait"). Seating is assigned ("go sit over there" - and "there" may be a designated waiting area 50m down the hall around the corner) and patients retrieved by staff from there. Seating is rearranged and partially removed/made unusable to ensure people sit several meters apart.
                Didn't see anyone kicked out this time, but that's presumably because the above makes it rather unlikely for a person with ... problems with regard to procedures ... to get past the entrance areas anyway. Did see a guard reminding someone to push his mask around for a proper seat though, immediately complied with. Hospital is virtually empty (90% of the people you see are staff) due to patients literally only being there for treatment and no accompaniment or other visitors allowed.

                Currently 90.1% of intensive-care beds at the hospital are filled. Overall situation has slightly relaxed, the local public health agency responsible for about 700,000 population now has less than 1,000 active cases (two weeks ago we were at 1500) with an incidence rate dropped to 87 per 100,000 in last 7 days. So far about 2.4% of the population has gotten infected, with a 1.4% fatality rate.
                Last edited by kato; 23 Jan 21,, 16:07.

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                • Grilling Giesicke. Just how well did the Swedish model hold up a year later ? How does it compare with policy in Denmark & Norway. Those are the two the Swedes are benchmarking with.



                  Johan said a year ago he was open to returning to examine whether what he said held true or not. Kept his promise.

                  He admits he got two things wrong

                  - He overestimated the rate of spread. The virus didn't spread as fast he thought it would.
                  - He underestimated the willingness of society to accept loss of personal freedoms and patience with lockdown. He finds this a bit alarming.
                  Last edited by Double Edge; 19 May 21,, 18:56.

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                  • Click image for larger version  Name:	blr positivity & mortality rates.jpg Views:	0 Size:	140.9 KB ID:	1573590

                    Quite the spike in positivity over the last few weeks in my city

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                    That's the comparison with March 20 or two months back. Nobody expected numbers to go up. We only entered lock down towards the end of April.

                    Note that test rates remain the same. We seem unwilling to ramp up testing further. It needs to be much higher.

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                    Last year the city council would put out these stats of world cities to compare Bangalore. They don't do that this year.

                    But it seems were are half as bad as NYC was last year in terms of cases.
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 19 May 21,, 20:36.

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                      That is how India's cases progressed over the year.

                      It correlates with humidity levels.

                      Humdity goes up May onwards and it at its lowest in Mar.

                      This virus is more affected by humidity than heat.

                      Humdity goes up, it counteracts infections.

                      Humdity decreases, cases rise.

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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
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                        That is how India's cases progressed over the year.

                        It correlates with humidity levels.

                        Humdity goes up May onwards and it at its lowest in Mar.

                        This virus is more affected by humidity than heat.

                        Humdity goes up, it counteracts infections.

                        Humdity decreases, cases rise.
                        Note that correlation is not causation. A simple data correlation may be reason to look for causation. Assuming that causation exists is belief, not science. Might as well dance to cause rain, or pray to effect change.
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                        • Originally posted by JRT View Post

                          Note that correlation is not causation. A simple data correlation may be reason to look for causation. Assuming that causation exists is belief, not science. Might as well dance to cause rain, or pray to effect change.
                          Certainly but humidity is the only environmental variable that changes in most of the country. Either raining or not.

                          Hot weather is a constant all year round, barring the north of the country. They have some semblance of seasons in the north not in the south.

                          Do you notice a correlation in your country ?

                          Your cases reduced in summer and went up in winter. Isn't it.

                          Humidity again.
                          Last edited by Double Edge; 21 May 21,, 15:33.

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                          • Really hate news like this



                            Everyone's vaccinated so why do they need to wear masks again ?

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                            • Masks didn't prevent 3rd wave in Canada tough I'm hesitant to say that masks did not reduce its impact.
                              Chimo

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                              • ^I'm with HK when it comes to masks.



                                A diatribe about half of Australia going into lockdown when their cases are in the 10s

                                Going into lockdown when cases are in the 10s means you come out of it sooner than if they were in the tens of thousands.

                                From an Indian pov am not seeing a problem with what the Aussies are doing here. But some might beg to differ

                                Yeah, lockdowns are a real PITA. More so if they are longer.
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Jun 21,, 19:35.

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