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  • #16
    Originally posted by desertswo View Post
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    I hate to burst your bubble. I am not a special operator, but I worked in J-3SOD on the Joint Staff in the Pentagon thinking of interesting things for those guys to do. Daniel Craig is far closer to the reality of the blackest of the black ops guys I came to know, and frankly loath a lot of the time. I was glad they were on our side, but they can be pretty freaking scary, even to those of us who've seen the elephant. One of them is my son's Godfather. Good guy, but scary nonetheless.

    AND

    I wonder how many people besides former military males of a certain age will get that reference. When I was inspecting ships for a living, we would always be escorted to the staterooms they would put us up in and show us the room where we would meet in private to decide the fate of the ship in question, and always, always, always, they never failed to show us where the "tech manuals" and "training films" were. Then women went to sea and that all went away. I guess that's progress. To be truthful, I quit watching when the other guys would one day back in 1990. My wife gave birth to the first of my two daughters. A light went on for me. That was someone else's baby on the screen. Didn't seem right after that.
    First, Bond isn't suppose to be reality. Closer to reality is Harry Palmer and while Harry Palmer is something, he's not Bond. If I want to watch a thug, I'll dig up "Innocent Bystanders" (finally got a copy of that).

    Like Garrick said in DS 9 after watching how Earth spies, as portrayed by Bashir, did it......"I think I joined the wrong intelligence agency.".

    People might know Peter North these days....I believe his name is on a web site.

    As far as the world of Peter North and, oh say, Tori Welles go, well, I'm different. I see those movies more than for their in-out, in-out. I don't want to see Teri Weigel screaming like a banshee, but rather, Chelsea Blue doing it with anticipation, hesitation, as in "Bobby Sox". One of the things about that kind of world is one is suppose to look like they are enjoying it (if it is that kind of scene). (granted many have passed on) Jon Dough, Tom Byron, Harry Reems, John Leslie, Buck Adams (another one of those steel jaw men), Paul Thomas, Joey Silveria, Randy West, Jerry Butler, Mike Horner: in a fantasy world, those are the kind of men I would like to be with because they have some kind of personalty, are fun to be with. North, Ray Victory, Randy Spears on the other hand, are at best boring, empty shells, perhaps even brutal and to be avoided. As far as the "classics" such as the late Jamie Gillis ........ and the Ron, well, they both seemed to have been more interesting, maybe even personable as they got older. As things go, when Ron was the buff one, he too, seemed rather empty.

    But long story short, while men are probably watching such for one reason, I am watching it for quite a few reasons, and in mixed company, it probably would not be the most enjoyable experience because I am seeing much more in the movie than they are.

    As to favorite flicks? Answering on the moment, Miss Directed, Convenience Store Girls, Fast Girls 2, Brat Series, Leather & Lace, Catwoman......and somewhere, I have a few Andrea True flicks.

    Pity our politically correct life took sex away. I always wanted to get explicit in training people on how to use sex as a weapon, both defensively and offensively, but my superiors wouldn't let me go that direction............I know what men like, I know what can distract them from their goal.

    As far as "that was someone else's baby on the screen", to each their own. Long story short, for whatever the demonstration, I would say that if one is feeling primal urges from it and they are a parent, they are probably not going to enjoy it as much. If they get into watching the quarterback get sacked because they like that violence and they have sons, realizing that such could be theirs, might bring such counter feelings around. Of course, fathers tend to be even more protective of their daughters.

    Not being a parent, I may be missing something here or maybe not. Sometimes, my research requires me to look at the world as the foe I am trying to find ways to take out would, to feel their rush. Well, once at a student organization meeting, I looked across the way (I forget what I was researching at the moment) at those faces, those eyes, the brightness of spirit, and felt the pain of what it would mean to take that away (as I recall). So yes, I can understand what it is like to take it personally.

    HOWEVER, as I have commented, I possess an extremely exact ability to compartmentize. Say, like fuzzy logic with thousands of If-Then statements. While that kind of world is, seen from a certain view anyhow, destructive, it is legal and it is a way to make a living. Further, as we have stated here, there are other things in life that are destructive to the self as well, but we still do them, still do allow them.

    So as it could be someone's baby, so it is a woman who has made the decision to be there........................even if her life's path was so wretched that she was delivered to that door step (currently reading "I am Jennie" by "Penny Flame").
    Last edited by Tamara; 02 Dec 13,, 08:31.

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    • #17
      I wanna party with you cowgirl!! :wors:

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      • #18
        I'm getting on in years but I try to embrace the new. A couple of things you guys touched on struck a bell.

        I think the ratio of good movies to bad is pretty much the way it's always been. The cinematography has improved and the special effects are way better. And we have many good actors, Hanks, Streep, Redford, to name just a few. And many Brits tapped for American films are outstanding.

        One thing I dislike in any film, good or bad, is gratuitous sex, the footage that's devoted to close up tumbles in the hay, slobbering kisses and groping for zippers and bra clips, and all that, when it doesn't advance the story. It's like the producer saying to me, I know you get a thrill watching other people tumble; so I'll take time out here to feed your lust...enjoy.

        One actor I meant to mention earlier is Steve McQueen. He starred in a western called Tom Horn which is little known, but one of the most authentically staged and acted movies ever.

        Yeah, The Shootist was one of Wayne's best, but I still think The Quiet Man is his overall best. The Cowboys was good too, and I agree they shouldn't have killed him off.

        We are big watchers of the Turner Classic Movie channel in my household. And for pure entertainment the Doc Martin series on PBS is a hoot. The grumpy doctor who says what he thinks with no social filters and struggles with a love relationship is an example of fine character development. The Brits turn out some great period pieces like Downton Abbey and The Paradise
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        Tamara, you mentioned you didn't like new movies that don't get the history right, especially the history we older folks lived through. We probably were exposed to movies in our younger days that did the same thing. I just see it as a sign of how the younger generation views the past and don't let it get in the way of a good story.

        I rarely go to movie theaters anymore. A good film on opening day is a good film 6 months later, and if you have a good TV, you don't miss anything. But you sure do save a lot of money.
        To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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        • #19
          Originally posted by desertswo View Post
          I wanna party with you cowgirl!! :wors:
          Remember your knees and hips. If you can't ride a horse...
          To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
            Remember your knees and hips. If you can't ride a horse...
            All too true, but actually, I was seeing if anyone would click to my paraphrasing of one rather "classic" movie scene. Starting at about 0:56 . . .

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
              I'm getting on in years but I try to embrace the new. A couple of things you guys touched on struck a bell.

              I think the ratio of good movies to bad is pretty much the way it's always been. The cinematography has improved and the special effects are way better. And we have many good actors, Hanks, Streep, Redford, to name just a few. And many Brits tapped for American films are outstanding.

              One thing I dislike in any film, good or bad, is gratuitous sex, the footage that's devoted to close up tumbles in the hay, slobbering kisses and groping for zippers and bra clips, and all that, when it doesn't advance the story. It's like the producer saying to me, I know you get a thrill watching other people tumble; so I'll take time out here to feed your lust...enjoy.
              .........................
              We are big watchers of the Turner Classic Movie channel in my household. And for pure entertainment the Doc Martin series on PBS is a hoot. The grumpy doctor who says what he thinks with no social filters and struggles with a love relationship is an example of fine character development. The Brits turn out some great period pieces like Downton Abbey and The Paradise
              .

              Tamara, you mentioned you didn't like new movies that don't get the history right, especially the history we older folks lived through. We probably were exposed to movies in our younger days that did the same thing. I just see it as a sign of how the younger generation views the past and don't let it get in the way of a good story.
              .........
              Well, what I meant about rewriting history was rewriting the movie history. I won't watch the new Star Trek because they do that. They may explain it away as an alternate time line but they can do it without my dollar because that is not the Star Trek I grew up with. I stopped watching Bond after Casino Royale because they rewrote the history.

              Actual history movies, such as current history, I tend to avoid. One movie I would not watch was Flight 93. Why? Because I don't need that kind of stress. For how I have been trained over the years, the tactical me would mesh with that kind of movie, searching for an answer, when you know really there is no answer, and I don't want to go to a movie to go through that especially when in reality, I have a slightly higher chance than a lot of the population of facing that kind of fate. I'm not a cop or the like but, say if someone came into my workplace and started shooting, I'd see that others got out the door first.

              On cinematography, well that's a debatable item in my book in what it means to me, what is needed. I have spent some of this weekend converting my VHS to DVD, episodes of DS 9 and ST:TNG that, when recorded, were non cable, perhaps with a wave of snow or interference over them. Well, back then, that was okay, that was acceptable......so why isn't it acceptable now? What's wrong with Captain Blood? Or for that matter, why isn't Blakes 7 a good show? Why does it all have to be in color and on blu-ray?

              I use to be a big fan of TCM but for many reasons, that has been put aside for the time being. First of all, it may have been one of the few cable channels I did watch but my interest to watch cable at all has waned significantly. Secondly, I have tons of VHS that needs converting to DVD. Third, I'm in an ethics dilemma. One of my compulsions is to build my film library and TCM has a lot of great flicks and I could go a long way doing it free.......but is that right? TCM is a paid for service, they are broadcasting the movies, but is it right for me to make my own copy, forever and ever? Hence, for the time being, that is another reason why not to tune in to them.

              One of the things I miss from the sex scene is the strip scene. So many flicks jump to the romp without showing getting out of the clothes and that's a big part of it. Think of the seduction of Redford undressing Ross in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid".

              Finally, about "The Cowboys"; I think killing him off was an excellent choice for two reasons. First of all, if they didn't, then Wayne is like the carrier, never gets hit. But more importantly, consider the movie. Here he takes a whole bunch of kids, children, and turns them into MEN and perhaps the biggest step is when a boy has to step up to the plate and be a man because the one before is gone. Could they have done it another way? Perhaps but between that and the tombstone, what a great way to do a movie!

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              • #22
                What makes a good strong male character?



                Pretty much sums it up. Strong and handsome. A little bit for both sexes
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                  What makes a good strong male character?

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                  Pretty much sums it up. Strong and handsome. A little bit for both sexes
                  So-o, Robert Duvall as the Great Santini is a good strong male character?

                  Or Jack Nicholson?

                  Or that pitiful Major (was he?) for Heartbreak Ridge?

                  I'm afraid you are going have to provide clarification than just a title.

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                  • #24
                    Desert:

                    As it happens, I saw the movie on cable recently. Now I see the connection to what you were saying. He's talking to Harvey, something about a cow and partying with him.
                    To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Tamara View Post
                      Well, what I meant about rewriting history was rewriting the movie history. I won't watch the new Star Trek because they do that. They may explain it away as an alternate time line but they can do it without my dollar because that is not the Star Trek I grew up with. I stopped watching Bond after Casino Royale because they rewrote the history.

                      Actual history movies, such as current history, I tend to avoid. One movie I would not watch was Flight 93. Why? Because I don't need that kind of stress. For how I have been trained over the years, the tactical me would mesh with that kind of movie, searching for an answer, when you know really there is no answer, and I don't want to go to a movie to go through that especially when in reality, I have a slightly higher chance than a lot of the population of facing that kind of fate. I'm not a cop or the like but, say if someone came into my workplace and started shooting, I'd see that others got out the door first.

                      On cinematography, well that's a debatable item in my book in what it means to me, what is needed. I have spent some of this weekend converting my VHS to DVD, episodes of DS 9 and ST:TNG that, when recorded, were non cable, perhaps with a wave of snow or interference over them. Well, back then, that was okay, that was acceptable......so why isn't it acceptable now? What's wrong with Captain Blood? Or for that matter, why isn't Blakes 7 a good show? Why does it all have to be in color and on blu-ray?

                      I use to be a big fan of TCM but for many reasons, that has been put aside for the time being. First of all, it may have been one of the few cable channels I did watch but my interest to watch cable at all has waned significantly. Secondly, I have tons of VHS that needs converting to DVD. Third, I'm in an ethics dilemma. One of my compulsions is to build my film library and TCM has a lot of great flicks and I could go a long way doing it free.......but is that right? TCM is a paid for service, they are broadcasting the movies, but is it right for me to make my own copy, forever and ever? Hence, for the time being, that is another reason why not to tune in to them.

                      One of the things I miss from the sex scene is the strip scene. So many flicks jump to the romp without showing getting out of the clothes and that's a big part of it. Think of the seduction of Redford undressing Ross in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid".

                      Finally, about "The Cowboys"; I think killing him off was an excellent choice for two reasons. First of all, if they didn't, then Wayne is like the carrier, never gets hit. But more importantly, consider the movie. Here he takes a whole bunch of kids, children, and turns them into MEN and perhaps the biggest step is when a boy has to step up to the plate and be a man because the one before is gone. Could they have done it another way? Perhaps but between that and the tombstone, what a great way to do a movie!
                      We don't agree on much, which is par for the course when it comes to flicks.

                      On cinematography, the steady cam (Rocky 1) was a huge breakthrough. From the artistic point of view it's hard to beat some older movies like Citizen Kane and Casablanca. Speaking of Casablance, there is a movie I can watch once or twice a year and enjoy it the same each time.

                      Ok, I see what you mean about changing 'history' in remakes. I believe the term is something like 'breaking continuity'. There is unintentional history in old movies-- sometimes it's more interesting to look at the cars, the clothes, the manner of speaking...etc. As for movies about true historical events, they become less appealing the more one learns of actual history. Lincoln was a recent exception. It benefits by focusing on a small sliver of history, Lincoln's manipulations to get the 13th Amendment passed.

                      If you feel guilty about taping TCM movies, just get a cable box that records programs and save a few of your favorites.

                      Going to go watch The Good Wife and then the Mentalist...:)
                      To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                        .........If you feel guilty about taping TCM movies, just get a cable box that records programs and save a few of your favorites.
                        ..........
                        My way of life makes the cable company provided DVR quite impossible. Long story short, when something is recorded here, it may be days, months, even years till I get around to it. Ie, remember the FOX series "Kindred: The Embrace"? Somewhere in my tape library is, perhaps, the totally recorded series, never seen, never watched. My life just can't wait around to watch something, so it gets stored until there is time (and since I am no longer taping shows like I was in the 90's, there's no reason to go after that space for other shows).

                        Got to run.

                        Okay, more on that. Where to start? How to say it in twenty-five volumes or less?

                        Being on the mid shift, having a show shift from Wed, Thurs, Fri to Sun or Mon is a death blow to me. In the previous, I have time, maybe, to catch up with it; in the latter, Sunday night I am either working up for the week or traveling and on Monday, I am often catching to the weekend. But there is something else. TV shows are time synched.

                        The evening shows are advertising the Tonight Show and your local news at 10. The Thurs, Fri shows are advertising the weekend. When you are watching these things at a different time of day, on a different day, over time, an enormous distortion effect is generated.

                        But getting back to the point, I have seasons of the X-Files on tape that I've never seen. The show moved from Friday to Sunday and it just became impossible to keep up with it. Of course, there were two other factors that vastly removed the motivation to try, the movie and the format change with Patrick. Or Charmed. It moved to Sunday and somewhere around "Oh, My Godness", I fell behind. As it is, I do have the latter DVD set, so I can watch at my leisure.

                        Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                        We don't agree on much, which is par for the course when it comes to flicks.

                        On cinematography, the steady cam (Rocky 1) was a huge breakthrough. From the artistic point of view it's hard to beat some older movies like Citizen Kane and Casablanca. Speaking of Casablance, there is a movie I can watch once or twice a year and enjoy it the same each time.

                        Ok, I see what you mean about changing 'history' in remakes. I believe the term is something like 'breaking continuity'. There is unintentional history in old movies-- sometimes it's more interesting to look at the cars, the clothes, the manner of speaking...etc. As for movies about true historical events, they become less appealing the more one learns of actual history. Lincoln was a recent exception. It benefits by focusing on a small sliver of history, Lincoln's manipulations to get the 13th Amendment passed.

                        If you feel guilty about taping TCM movies, just get a cable box that records programs and save a few of your favorites.

                        Going to go watch The Good Wife and then the Mentalist...
                        Let's talk about history and Star Trek for a moment. There we have decades of a past and then in the course of a two hour movie, we are told it's all wrong, that what we knew before doesn't matter. To me, that is one heck of a slap in the face, an insult. I don't like it, I don't appreciate it, and I'm not going to watch it.

                        I suppose since we were talking about movies, your reference to "The Good Wife" and "The Mentalist" put me on the wrong track. I took it to mean "The Good Wife", which is a flick I have in the tape library, sitting on a sorting shelf, waiting to be processed and filed. Hence, I've seen the video box both recently and frequently.

                        As far as "The Mentalist"........I was thinking you were referring to a 60's George Hamilton flick which I've tracked down to "The Power". Made it an interesting twist in the conversation, but, oh well.

                        Finding out they were TV shows, oh well, Enjoy.
                        Last edited by Tamara; 02 Dec 13,, 08:24.

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