Millionaire Acid Attack Victim Using Money for Surgery - India

[anil]

To paraphrase Churchill, do you have any better system on your mind?

Democracy is foreign to india. Monarchy is indigenous to our lands with hundreds of self governing provinces.

In the last few decades, we replaced a working system with an alien one that solely favours the political class.

Minskaya, the situation of women in india is not as bad as it is made out to be in the media. The indian style of journalism is intrinsically sensationalistic but it has definitely brought the indian justice system in the lime light.



pending rape cases are just one facet of the millions of other criminal cases still waiting to reach the court. this is besides the point that most judges and lawyers take bribes to swing the judgement. with the current democratic system, there is absolutely no way to solve the problem.

[kuku]

Here is the deal, the current system is all we have, and any changes are not going to happen

So get involved in politics, start to make that effort into voting. Make that effort into not bribing people, or voting for people who take bribes, stop voting based on religion or caste. Vote on the condition that there be laws that keep the system transparent.
Make sure that no one who is corrupt or ineffective is voted into parliament.
Stop protesting and bringing the nation to a halt every-time a government/PSU service or company is made private, because that reduces national debt (both total and annual).
Start giving respect to those who are less fortunate than you, make charitable contributions to organisations that promote education.
On your day off work for a charity that gives free education, cause the government will never have enough money to do it.
Join organisations that fight to give women equal respect in the Indian social structure.

Make it better one day at a time, No one is going to hand us a working structure of government on a platter, has to be built up ourselves, all the tools available right here in India, as Indian citizens to improve this nation, no politician can come to power without having the votes, so their corruption is the fault of our laziness.

[kuku]

Rape - per see - is not tolerated. But sexual trafficking by the mafioso IS tolerated due to the lucrative payoffs and kickbacks.

Is violence against women less, is this something cultural, as in the society is in general less patriarchal and women have more liberty in life?

[Doktor]

Is violence against women less, is this something cultural, as in the society is in general less patriarchal and women have more liberty in life?

I would guess it is a recidive from socialism/communism, where women were treated as equal. Also patriarchal mindset from the past which says, noone touches your woman (mother, sister, girlfriend...) unpunished.

[Minskaya]

Also patriarchal mindset from the past which says, noone touches your woman (mother, sister, girlfriend...) unpunished.

Indeed. The southern area where I come from was once known as Scythia, the reputed home of the female Amazon warriors of ancient Greek mythology. It later was part of the Khazar empire until conquered in 995 by the Kievan Rus, the Slavic tribes (and my paternal heritage) who are supposedly descended from the Vikings. This area is also the home of the Cossacks, a warrior people whose horsemanship and love of battle is legendary.

[kuku]

I would guess it is a recidive from socialism/communism, where women were treated as equal. Also patriarchal mindset from the past which says, noone touches your woman (mother, sister, girlfriend...) unpunished.

I guess a liberal mindset from communist era might be reason.
The no one touches your woman sort of Talibani mindset is more of a trouble than help.
The thing is it makes treatment of women like property, women become victims of any revenge, target of justice.
I doubt that is the reason.

[Doktor]

Well, can't tell about ex Soviets, but here, domestic violence is still an issue.

[Minskaya]

Well, can't tell about ex Soviets, but here, domestic violence is still an issue.

That seems to be a universal scourge...

Due to high incidence rates of alcoholism and drug abuse, domestic violence is high.

[anil]

i know both patriarchal and matriarchal families and the only different is the later share the property with females kins. everything else is the same.

the whole patriarchy = violence against women is plain rhetoric

the real differencing factor is gender roles. i know 20 years ago, it was rare to see a women do anything other than cooking. today there are working women. there are restaurants and home delivered food. so i think this has freed up women from their duties in the kitchen and altered the traditional gender roles. to completely change the balance, science can even be brought in to make the male race pregnant. ha!!

so i don't think it is completely possible to alter gender roles. the best we can do it open up restaurants, laundry shops and sell dish washers on every street, nook and corner.

[USSWisconsin]

Women are half the people. Treating them as anything less than equal is a mistake, IMO. In my experience at about half of the best and brightest people are women. I have know many people from India, and the Indian women I know are just as capable, and smart as the men - the same holds true of most of the other cultures I've experienced (which is quite a few). The differences I see between men and women are more complementary than disadvantagous.

Being the father of two brilliant daughters and the brother of three younger sisters - I am quite biased in favor of women being treated as equals. Doing otherwise is a waste and an injustice.

[Doktor]

i know both patriarchal and matriarchal families and the only different is the later share the property with females kins. everything else is the same.

Then you missed something. Or definitions.

the whole patriarchy = violence against women is plain rhetoric

Not over here, due to articles, I am taking the liberty it aint so in many Indian homes as well.

the real differencing factor is gender roles. i know 20 years ago, it was rare to see a women do anything other than cooking. today there are working women. there are restaurants and home delivered food. so i think this has freed up women from their duties in the kitchen and altered the traditional gender roles. to completely change the balance, science can even be brought in to make the male race pregnant. ha!!

You know the best chefs in the world are males?

so i don't think it is completely possible to alter gender roles. the best we can do it open up restaurants, laundry shops and sell dish washers on every street, nook and corner.

The best we can do is treat women as equal, given proper opportunity, like education and non discrimination for some of the jobs, they can do the same job same if not better in many cases.

You don't need restaurants, laundry shops and dish washers, you only need to move that lazy *** and learn how to cook and clean the mess. Aint that hard, also, it is a good thing, meaning you are not dependent on anyone, be it your mom, sister or wife.

[Tronic]

kleptocracy, hmmmm not quite
Well everyone has equal chance of looting the nation.
Elections happen in a very clean manner. People elect the leaders to rule over them, to be corrupt. If the people decided not to vote for someone, he is out of power, thats it bye bye, no questions asked.

The reality is it is the people who are corrupt, inefficient,etc. etc.

Ofcourse it is a kleptocracy, or very close to one. Mayawati just went from being an "untouchable" slum lady to a multi-millionaire, and she claims it was all through "gifts" given to her by random people! She spent millions out of public funds building massive statues and parks dedicated to herself in UP, despite the fact she was ruling one of the poorest states in India. And if wikileaks is to be believed: ("The outburst follows reports, based on leaked US diplomatic cables, that she sent an empty private jet to collect a pair of sandals from Mumbai" [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14800646]). All this from a lady who came from the poorest of the poor strata of Indian society! Her predecessor/successor are the exact same story! And that's the story for just one state! Every state in India has a very similar story. I would call that pretty close to a kleptocracy.

India's masses are poor and uneducated, so they vote for whoever comes out with the best populist schemes. For them, the important thing is to feed their families, so they don't bother if the person they are voting for is a criminal or a saint. They will vote for anyone who promises to put food on their table. Unfortunately, they are not smart enough, or educated enough to know when they are being fooled.

[kuku]

Ofcourse it is a kleptocracy, or very close to one. Mayawati just went from being an "untouchable" slum lady to a multi-millionaire, and she claims it was all through "gifts" given to her by random people! She spent millions out of public funds building massive statues and parks dedicated to herself in UP, despite the fact she was ruling one of the poorest states in India. And if wikileaks is to be believed: ("The outburst follows reports, based on leaked US diplomatic cables, that she sent an empty private jet to collect a pair of sandals from Mumbai" [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14800646]). All this from a lady who came from the poorest of the poor strata of Indian society! Her predecessor/successor are the exact same story! And that's the story for just one state! Every state in India has a very similar story. I would call that pretty close to a kleptocracy.

India's masses are poor and uneducated, so they vote for whoever comes out with the best populist schemes. For them, the important thing is to feed their families, so they don't bother if the person they are voting for is a criminal or a saint. They will vote for anyone who promises to put food on their table. Unfortunately, they are not smart enough, or educated enough to know when they are being fooled.

She did go from being a poor slum dweller to an elite robbing her state blind i think in a elite rule the nation scenario that is impossible

And unlike what you seem to suggest my experience is quite different people in UP voted for her, she has the support of her community and she won the election in a very tough power struggle.
As for people support she has it, So do theYadavs, the thakurs and the pandits, and the muslims.

If the people so choose they can continue to vote for whosoever they like, if it was as simple as voting for the populist scheme which just put food on the table, with a completely corrupt government, then no government willever go out of power. To call an uneducated man a fool is not wise, may be you mean uninformed?

The responsibility lies with the people, we are the government and the lawyers and the police and the engineers, doctors.etc. Andthetools to improve the situation are with us

[Tronic]

Democracy is foreign to india. Monarchy is indigenous to our lands with hundreds of self governing provinces.

In Punjab, we had a Confederacy before the Brits arrived. While all the Confederate Punjabi states were monarchies, the Sarbat Khalsa established a somewhat semi-democratic tradition in Punjab. Power was not entirely absolute and it was distributed down through to the Misls and the Jathas. Voting also took place to elect 5 members moderating the Sarbat Khalsa.

While in British India, democracy was not directly introduced by the British, but rather, by Westernized Indian elitists who brought home the concept of democracy to be used against the totalitarian rule of the British. The Indian National Congress from the 1860s onwards was composed entirely of Indian elites postured up against the British. It was only after Gandhi joined the INC that he took the party from an elitist party to a party of the masses, which gave birth to the massive civil disobedience movements.

What were the "indigenous monarchs" doing all this time? They were all either enjoying their luxurious lifestyles as vassals of the British, while their subjects starved to death, or the ones who chose to fight, had their kingdoms usurped.

[Tronic]

She did go from being a poor slum dweller to an elite robbing her state blind i think in a elite rule the nation scenario that is impossible

Kleptocracy is not "elites rule", but "thieves rule", and she lives up to the definition.

And unlike what you seem to suggest my experience is quite different people in UP voted for her, she has the support of her community and she won the election in a very tough power struggle.
As for people support she has it, So do theYadavs, the thakurs and the pandits, and the muslims.

If the people so choose they can continue to vote for whosoever they like, if it was as simple as voting for the populist scheme which just put food on the table, with a completely corrupt government, then no government willever go out of power. To call an uneducated man a fool is not wise, may be you mean uninformed?

I believe you're trying to debate casteist politics here, and electing thieves merely because they belong to your own "caste" is an even bigger shame! Yes, it is a foolish thing to do!

The responsibility lies with the people, we are the government and the lawyers and the police and the engineers, doctors.etc. Andthetools to improve the situation are with us

As I said, India is still a largely uneducated and poor country, and it is the votes of those uneducated and poor people, voting on the basis of petty things such as "caste", who largely sway the government.