Millionaire Acid Attack Victim Using Money for Surgery - India

[lemontree]

In what way did I defend the undefendable? You are way off the mark ok? I accept that there is seriously something wrong with the Indian judicial and police system but I do not accept your assertions that there is something wrong with the Indian people as a whole. So don't try to emulate that crappy western way of paternalistic thinking towards India.

You are not qualified to judge my way of thinking, your attempts to hide the filth under the carpet are shameful.
The judicial and police system is made up of Indians like you and me. If an educated man like you fails to see the rot in our "culture" then why blame others.

So dont you dare preach to me of aping western attitudes towards India.

[anil]

Tronic, it still doesn't change the fact that "an assumption is being made".

I agree with your comment about the lack of any state appointed law and order authority in most parts of india. I live in mumbai but my family comes from a small village in south india. We don't have any police in our village nor do any crimes occur there but some years ago a man was killed by his own brothers because he is mentally unstable and was causing problems. The police were never informed and no one said anything.

Just because there are no police in an indian village doesn't mean that crimes are abundant there.

[Doktor]

Got to love the self-governing villages.

[anil]

Doktor, villagers are old school. If rape happens, the immediate reflex will be to kill the guy. I guess you can call that justice.

However in urban areas where most families are away from their core communities, they have no choice but to call the police who are no good. So the police may jail the guy for a week until he gets bail and the case will stay pending in the court for several years. By the time the court is ready to hear the case, the witnesses will have moved on or flipped.

Indian justice system is not like that of the developed countries. In urban india the only way to get justice is out of court settlement.

[Blademaster]

Doktor, villagers are old school. If rape happens, the immediate reflex will be to kill the guy. I guess you can call that justice.

However in urban areas where most families are away from their core communities, they have no choice but to call the police who are no good. So the police may jail the guy for a week until he gets bail and the case will stay pending in the court for several years. By the time the court is ready to hear the case, the witnesses will have moved on or flipped.

Indian justice system is not like that of the developed countries. In urban india the only way to get justice is out of court settlement.

And I am not freaking fine with it!!! All it shows how fricking lazy the judiciary and the police is. They are not simply interested in doing their jobs and solving the society's problems for a real change. All they are interested is in collecting their paychecks and enjoying their perks and engage in mental masturbation and nothing else!

[Blademaster]

You are not qualified to judge my way of thinking, your attempts to hide the filth under the carpet are shameful.
The judicial and police system is made up of Indians like you and me. If an educated man like you fails to see the rot in our "culture" then why blame others.

So dont you dare preach to me of aping western attitudes towards India.

How dare you of you to think that I would hide the filth. I have aptly pointed out the flaws of the judiciary system. That system was a holdover from the days of the British colonialism. The ruling elites had no interested of changing the archiac system which was primarily oriented to preserving the law and order in favor of the elites, which happens to be Congress. In no way I did hide the filth. I did not fail to see the rot. I do see the rot but I also see where it is localized instead of making the lazy or stupid generalizations that the westerners and Indians w/ self esteem problems make instead of doing the hard work and seeing where it is localized. In fact I also see the goodness and willingness to change unlike you who only see the rot of Indians through a western lens. So yes I dare preach to you of aping western attitudes towards India when your attitude takes on a tone of a paternalistic attitude towards Indians based on sweeping generalizations and without realization of where the flaw lies within.

I would not be surprised if you would quote the British general, Napier, who threatened to hang anybody who would burn a widow and used the justification for ruling India and you, as many other ignorant westerners would credit him and the British for single-handely stopping the practice when it was actually bullsh-t propaganda and the real change came at the hands of indigenous hindu and other religious (Sikhs) organizations whose efforts and success went largely unrecognized and undocumented for stopping the practice. Napier and his laws had sh!t to do with wiping out the sati practice when him and his cronies could not even penetrate the towns and villages and largely ignored the welfare of the Indians and only exploited the Indians for British's gain.

[Doktor]

And I am not freaking fine with it!!! All it shows how fricking lazy the judiciary and the police is. They are not simply interested in doing their jobs and solving the society's problems for a real change. All they are interested is in collecting their paychecks and enjoying their perks and engage in mental masturbation and nothing else!

Or you need more of them.

[anil]

It has been more than 60 years and democracy has yet to work for india.

Monarchy was and will always remain the perfect system for india. The current system has only paralysed us and given the politicians invincible power.

meanwhile, the UN can go f$%^ itself before giving advises to india UN urges India to end rape 'scourge'

[Tronic]

Tronic, it still doesn't change the fact that "an assumption is being made".

I agree with your comment about the lack of any state appointed law and order authority in most parts of india. I live in mumbai but my family comes from a small village in south india. We don't have any police in our village nor do any crimes occur there but some years ago a man was killed by his own brothers because he is mentally unstable and was causing problems. The police were never informed and no one said anything.

Just because there are no police in an indian village doesn't mean that crimes are abundant there.

You just gave me an example of a murder in the one rural place you are connected with and it went unpunished. Need I say more?

It has been more than 60 years and democracy has yet to work for india.

Monarchy was and will always remain the perfect system for india. The current system has only paralysed us and given the politicians invincible power.

meanwhile, the UN can go f$%^ itself before giving advises to india UN urges India to end rape 'scourge'

Completely disagree. What is screwing India over are politicians with authoritarian tendencies and you wish to address this by giving those dickheads more authority?

[anil]

You just gave me an example of a murder in the one rural place you are connected with and it went unpunished. Need I say more?

What I actually said was that the villagers in india get more(immediate too) justice than urban folks who rely on state judiciary for a decade for the case to the reach the court atleast.

Completely disagree. What is screwing India over are politicians with authoritarian tendencies and you wish to address this by giving those dickheads more authority?

All I wish for is a system that works and addresses the needs of the people. The current democratic system has completely failed. India has tried to make work a system for 60 years that was not meant for it in the first place.

60 years down the toilet

now our corrupt politicians are trying to impose democracy to nepal and myanmar. the people of those countries have no idea

[kuku]

Ya our corrupt politicians, our corrupt police, our corrupt legal system.

WE ARE THE POLITICIANS, POLICE , AND THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

And our government could not force a paper plane into Pakistan, leave alone democracy in Nepal and Myanmar, we are lucky Nepal lets us grab criminals out (but thats also a temporary money based arrangement).

[Doktor]

What I actually said was that the villagers in india get more(immediate too) justice than urban folks who rely on state judiciary for a decade for the case to the reach the court atleast.


All I wish for is a system that works and addresses the needs of the people. The current democratic system has completely failed. India has tried to make work a system for 60 years that was not meant for it in the first place.

60 years down the toilet

now our corrupt politicians are trying to impose democracy to nepal and myanmar. the people of those countries have no idea

To paraphrase Churchill, do you have any better system on your mind?

[Minskaya]

The current democratic system has completely failed.

To an outsider such as myself, India appears to have seriously flawed systems of governance and rule of law. It resembles a kleptocracy which is rooted in wealth, power, and corruption. A bit reminiscent of my homelands - Russia/Ukraine/Belarus - where coercion and corruption permeate every sector of government. Due to high incidence rates of alcoholism and drug abuse, domestic violence is high. However, sexual crimes against women are not tolerated.*

* But in all honesty, I believe the governments of my homelands are complicit in human/sexual trafficking

[kuku]

To an outsider such as myself, India appears to have seriously flawed systems of governance and rule of law. It resembles a kleptocracy which is rooted in wealth, power, and corruption. A bit reminiscent of my homelands - Russia/Ukraine/Belarus - where coercion and corruption permeate every sector of government. Due to high incidence rates of alcoholism and drug abuse, domestic violence is high. However, sexual crimes against women are not tolerated.

kleptocracy, hmmmm not quite
Well everyone has equal chance of looting the nation.
Elections happen in a very clean manner. People elect the leaders to rule over them, to be corrupt. If the people decided not to vote for someone, he is out of power, thats it bye bye, no questions asked.

The reality is it is the people who are corrupt, inefficient,etc. etc.

and what do you mean that crimes against women are not tolerated? if there is no control on other crimes, i fail to see how they can control crimes against women? i mean how, what is the difference that makes it so?

[Minskaya]

and what do you mean that crimes against women are not tolerated?

Rape - per see - is not tolerated. But sexual trafficking by the mafioso IS tolerated due to the lucrative payoffs and kickbacks.