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Millionaire Acid Attack Victim Using Money for Surgery - India
So instead of discussing something important, namely, the way women are treated as second rate citizens in a large part of the world, it has turned into another nationalistic pissing contest...
Try again, "genius" and start using some english comprehension.
Hey the shooter who killed two firefighters and expressed his desire to kill people was let off easily after he whacked his own mother with a hammer. You telling me that this one is different from the Indian Judicial System?
Are you trying to be cute? Even on this board there is outrage that the bastard ever saw the light of day for what he did to his mother. I bet the same bleeding heart moron that let this POS back on the street is one of the same people whining that it was all the gun's fault.
Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.
Try again and this time follow your own advice. See what Doktor did. That would have taken care of the problem.
It was only a problem because you decided to make it a problem. Since you insist on being thick as a brick, I'll spell it out for you in no uncertain terms.
Throwing acid in someone's face is little different than the medieval war tactic of pouring boiling oil from the castle ramparts. Abject barbarism clearly intended to either kill or permanently maim. At the very least, an acid attack constitutes attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and malicious injury. A three year sentence for at least three Class A felonies committed during the course of such a crime is unconscionable and a judicial sham that lacks any meaningful deterrent value. Judicial toleration is one of the many reasons why this form of barbarism occurs in many countries with abysmal regularity. Ergo, the flawed judicial system is a complicit linchpin in maintaining this barbaric modality.
Are you trying to be cute? Even on this board there is outrage that the bastard ever saw the light of day for what he did to his mother. I bet the same bleeding heart moron that let this POS back on the street is one of the same people whining that it was all the gun's fault.
No you are the one trying to be cute. I said that the Indian judicial system needs to be radically overhauled but that doesn't mean India as a whole has to be radically overhauled or in the same category as Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia as the implications on the thread were. I stated outright that I was in utter contempt of the Indian judicial system and how it doesn't protect the rights of ordinary citizens even though there are existing laws on the books that provide for protection of the ordinary people and justice for the victims.
It was only a problem because you decided to make it a problem. Since you insist on being thick as a brick, I'll spell it out for you in no uncertain terms.
Throwing acid in someone's face is little different than the medieval war tactic of pouring boiling oil from the castle ramparts. Abject barbarism clearly intended to either kill or permanently maim. At the very least, an acid attack constitutes attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and malicious injury. A three year sentence for at least three Class A felonies committed during the course of such a crime is unconscionable and a judicial sham that lacks any meaningful deterrent value. Judicial toleration is one of the many reasons why this form of barbarism occurs in many countries with abysmal regularity. Ergo, the flawed judicial system is a complicit linchpin in maintaining this barbaric modality.
Listen brickhead, I never came out in support of the perpertuators. If any, I think they got off way too easily or light but it does highlight the failure of the Indian judicial system and the need for reforms and even at the sentencing, there were calls for the acid throwers to be given stiffer sentences. As a society, we do condemn those perpetrators. The Indian media reported those attacks and there were many editorials and calls for stiffer sentences. How does that translate that there is something wrong with India? So far all the things you stated are with the Indian judicial system.
Listen brickhead, I never came out in support of the perpertuators. If any, I think they got off way too easily or light but it does highlight the failure of the Indian judicial system and the need for reforms and even at the sentencing, there were calls for the acid throwers to be given stiffer sentences. As a society, we do condemn those perpetrators. The Indian media reported those attacks and there were many editorials and calls for stiffer sentences. How does that translate that there is something wrong with India? So far all the things you stated are with the Indian judicial system.
Hi There
I think you have been out of India for too long and react over sensitively to any criticism of India.
These calls for reform and other hot air are only from media and so so called public figures.
Most people outside of the middle class metro crowd, especially most men are indifferent and not bothered at all.
Just go stand at a chai shop on the roadside anywhere in India, you will hear any number of men say that if a woman 'disrespected' them they would take severe steps to 'teach them a lesson'.
I think the point people were making was that We are a deeply flawed patriarchal and misogynistic society. They are pretty much correct.
It will take a hundred or so years of constant economic growth and change to make a dent in this.
No you are the one trying to be cute. I said that the Indian judicial system needs to be radically overhauled but that doesn't mean India as a whole has to be radically overhauled or in the same category as Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia as the implications on the thread were. I stated outright that I was in utter contempt of the Indian judicial system and how it doesn't protect the rights of ordinary citizens even though there are existing laws on the books that provide for protection of the ordinary people and justice for the victims.
Then perhaps you should re read my first post and take it for what it was meant and not with all the hidden meanings you apparently got out of it
Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.
Hey the shooter who killed two firefighters and expressed his desire to kill people was let off easily after he whacked his own mother with a hammer. You telling me that this one is different from the Indian Judicial System?
He got 18 years for murdering his mother.
No you did not. You referred to India as a whole, not the judicial aspect. A big difference right there.
Bolo seems to have addressed the man on the street's views pretty well.
A 17-year-old Indian girl who was allegedly gang-raped killed herself after police pressured her to drop the case and marry one of her attackers, police and a relative said on Thursday.
It comes as the 23-year-old Indian medical student who was gang-raped on a bus in New Delhi arrived at Singapore's Mount Elizabeth Hospital for further treatment.
A hospital spokesperson said the patient is in an "extremely critical condition" after the attack on December 16.
She was transferred overseas for better treatment.
The latest case, in the Patiala region in the Punjab, has again shone the spotlight on the police's handling of sex crimes.
One police officer has been sacked and another suspended over their conduct after the assault during the festival of Diwali on November 13, according to officials.
The teenager was found dead on Wednesday night after swallowing poison.
Her death came as it emerged that the names, addresses and photographs of convicted rapists will be posted online by police in India to publicly shame them for their crimes.
Inspector General Paramjit Singh Gill said that the teenager had been "running from pillar to post to get her case registered" but officers failed to open a formal inquiry.
"One of the officers tried to convince her to withdraw the case," Gill, the police chief for the area, told AFP.
Before her death, there had been no arrests, although three people were detained on Thursday. Two of them were her alleged male attackers and the third was a suspected woman accomplice.
The victim's sister told Indian television that the teenager had been urged to either accept cash or marry one of her attackers.
"The police started pressuring her to either reach a financial settlement with her attackers or marry one of them," her sister told the NDTV network.
Meanwhile, the Press Trust of India reported that a police officer has been suspended for allegedly refusing to register a rape complaint in the northern state of Chhattisgar.
The woman and her husband later brought the case to the attention of a more senior officer and a hunt has now been launched for her attacker, an auto rickshaw driver.
Official figures show that 228,650 of the total 256,329 violent crimes recorded last year in India were against women.
The real figure is thought to be much higher as so many women are reluctant to report attacks to the police.
During an address to the chief ministers of India's states on Thursday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh pledged to bring in new laws to cover attacks on women.
To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway
I think you have been out of India for too long and react over sensitively to any criticism of India.
These calls for reform and other hot air are only from media and so so called public figures.
Well those people who were threatening to burn down the presidential palace were not certainly media and public figure types. They were from different classes of society.
Most people outside of the middle class metro crowd, especially most men are indifferent and not bothered at all.
Just go stand at a chai shop on the roadside anywhere in India, you will hear any number of men say that if a woman 'disrespected' them they would take severe steps to 'teach them a lesson'.
I think the point people were making was that We are a deeply flawed patriarchal and misogynistic society. They are pretty much correct.
It will take a hundred or so years of constant economic growth and change to make a dent in this.
Well there are 300 million people in the middle class and growing and an overwhelming majority do not have that attitude you described. It may be prevalent in the villages but not in the cities and towns and I suspect that the perpetrators (the sh-t bag low scum) came from backward villages or uneducated backgrounds. Yes there is a huge working class population but that doesn't mean they represent the whole country.
I am Indian and I do not stand for this kind of crap nor tolerate this kind of crap. If i see a lowlife doing like this, I pray to God that God gives me the strength and courage to beat the fricking crap out of him and anybody who supports him or stand in my way. And I am not alone. What does that tell you?
Last edited by Blademaster; 30 Dec 12,, 20:08.
Reason: editted out profanity as requested by mods.
Anyway, here is a statistic showing rapes per 100,000 people for almost every country
South Africa 120
Botswana 92.9
Australia 91.9
Lesotho 85.3
Swaziland 77.5
Bermuda 67.3
Sweden 63.5
Suriname 45.2
Costa Rica 36.7
Nicaragua 31.6
Grenada 30.6
United Kingdom (England and Wales) 28.8
Saint Kitts and Nevis 28.6
Panama 28.3
Belgium 27.9
United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) 27.7
United States of America 27.3
Bolivia (Plurinational State of) 26.1
New Zealand 25.8
Zimbabwe 25.6
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.6
Barbados 24.9
Iceland 24.7
Jamaica 24.4
Peru 23.5
Bahamas 22.7
Norway 19.2
Trinidad and Tobago 18.5
Israel 17.5
United Kingdom (Scotland) 17
France 16.2
Guyana 15.5
Finland 15.2
Republic of Korea 13.5
Chile 13.3
Mexico 13.2
Mongolia 12.4
Luxembourg 11.7
El Salvador 11
Solomon Islands 11
Ecuador 10.9
Ireland 10.7
Austria 10.4
Republic of Moldova 10.3
Uruguay 9.8
Germany 9.4
Netherlands 9.2
Argentina 8.5
Kazakhstan 8.3
Bangladesh 8.2
Brunei Darussalam 7.6
Italy 7.6
Sri Lanka 7.3
Switzerland * 7.1
Oman 6.9
Colombia 6.8
Belize 6.7
Thailand 6.7
Denmark 6.4
Philippines 6.3
Lithuania 6.3
Paraguay 6
Estonia 6
Kyrgyzstan 5.9
Monaco 5.7
Senegal 5.6
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 5
Morocco 4.8
Romania 4.7
Czech Republic 4.6
Kuwait 4.5
Poland 4.1
Portugal 4
Mauritius 3.9
Latvia 3.5
Bahrain 3.4
Russian Federation 3.4
Spain 3.4
Croatia 3.2
Slovenia 3.1
Palestinian Territory 3
Guatemala 2.9
Maldives 2.9
Bulgaria 2.8
Singapore 2.7
Slovakia 2.6
Malta 2.6
Cyprus 2.5
Hungary 2.5
Cameroon 2.4
Algeria 2.4
Belarus 2.3
Kenya 2.1
Uganda 2.1
Jordan 2
Georgia 1.9
Greece 1.9
India 1.8
Qatar 1.8
Montenegro 1.8
Canada 1.7
Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China 1.6
Turkey 1.5
United Arab Emirates 1.5
Sierra Leone 1.4
Ukraine 1.4
Andorra 1.2
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.2
Guinea 1
Japan 1
Nepal 0.8
Syrian Arab Republic 0.8
Yemen 0.8
Albania 0.7
Serbia 0.7
Turkmenistan 0.6
Tajikistan 0.5
Lebanon 0.5
Armenia 0.4
Mozambique 0.2
Azerbaijan 0.2
Egypt 0.1
Fourth most dangerous country in the world for women lmao
Rapes are notoriously under-reported. Mozambique, at 0.2 - riiiight. Do you expect countries like Turkmenistan, Guinea, Armenia, etc etc etc to report true and accurate numbers?
What's true about india is that:
*women here are expected to stay in the kitchen
*women here try to be proper and feminine like so they abstain from most things
*and offcourse women who defy it are harassed
*judiciary is non existent. if you file a case(eg property dispute) then chances are that your case will be brought to court atleast after a decade
*indian police listen to the politicians and act like their security guards. for common man, there is no police. infact, a common man should not go to the police unless he carries lots of green papers.
What's NOT true about india is that:
*india is a dangerous country for women. lol (there are more chances that an indian women might get raped in london while travelling on a tourist visa than in india)
*india is out of control because there is hardly any policing on the streets (not true).
Yes india is chaotic but it is not violent. No one runs india but somehow india keeps running. haha
Chogy, those statistics are all we have. If you are telling me to ignore them then please give me something as a base to talk about else we have nothing to talk about.
I think you have been out of India for too long and react over sensitively to any criticism of India.
These calls for reform and other hot air are only from media and so so called public figures.
Most people outside of the middle class metro crowd, especially most men are indifferent and not bothered at all.
Just go stand at a chai shop on the roadside anywhere in India, you will hear any number of men say that if a woman 'disrespected' them they would take severe steps to 'teach them a lesson'.
I think the point people were making was that We are a deeply flawed patriarchal and misogynistic society. They are pretty much correct.
It will take a hundred or so years of constant economic growth and change to make a dent in this.
Not all areas of India re so deeply patriarchal, misogynistic....
Then there are some (where most of the Indian population is) which are. To the extent that people think it is because of education and information that the sexual crimes are increasing (without realising its just the reporting of these crimes that has increased), going so far as to even blame foreign food for it.
There is improvement, it is evolution so very difficult to tell from one generation to the other (things almost seem the same), however there is improvement over the last 10-20-50 etc. years.
I think open debate about this is important, at every level.
Even in a shithole for women state like Haryana i have personally seen over the last two years debate across all social and economic lines about these issues, i think something good will come out of this as long as people keep talking about it.
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