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[DOR]

About airplane, is that an offer? Because if it is I'll take it. But seriously bro, I am still having nightmares from having to go and by art supplies on the Market Street. Corner of the Bush and Taylor I consider California, three blocks below, well I hate to say, but even Belgrade is an freaking Beverly Hills.

Yeah, Market Street (in which city?) is totally representative of 39.4 million people living in 164,000 sq mi (424,000 sq km).

[Versus]

San Francisco, I had to jump over homeless people that had all kind of diseases and their brownies on the street...But that wasn't the point of my question. The question is, how is it possible to have such a catastrophe in L.A. while in the same time you have all the tech,money,data, services,agencies in the world? Don't tell me that "it is a force of nature". USGS reports earthquakes in Serbia before our geological survey notices them.

[Monash]

San Francisco, I had to jump over homeless people that had all kind of diseases and their brownies on the street...But that wasn't the point of my question. The question is, how is it possible to have such a catastrophe in L.A. while in the same time you have all the tech,money,data, services,agencies in the world? Don't tell me that "it is a force of nature". USGS reports earthquakes in Serbia before our geological survey notices them.

Because when the chips are down weather and geography trumps tech, money and service delivery etc every time.

[Versus]

Because when the chips are down weather and geography trumps tech, money and service delivery etc every time.

I find it hard to believe but ok.

[Versus]

Hey an update on HMPV. I had it and seriously it sucks ass. It starts with the tickling in the nose and throat and than rapidly moves to bronchi and lungs. That is the hardest part because every cough seems like you are coughing your lungs out, its super painful. All the time every bone,muscle limb hurts like being run over by a flock of wild boars. The snot and mucus are extensive and super annoying. You have a fever but its just right to feel you not being able or want to do anything, so you feel super meh all the time. Finally, this is optional, it moves to stomach so you have diarrhea for couple of days.
Now I have common flu and it feels like a holiday, high fever makes me high...:))))
Things that seem to help. Chicken soup but artificial, it really does wonders because salt and some minerals. Tincture from poison ivy is also highly effective.

[DOR]

San Francisco, I had to jump over homeless people that had all kind of diseases and their brownies on the street...But that wasn't the point of my question. The question is, how is it possible to have such a catastrophe in L.A. while in the same time you have all the tech,money,data, services,agencies in the world? Don't tell me that "it is a force of nature". USGS reports earthquakes in Serbia before our geological survey notices them.

Consider that driving distance from San Diego in the south to Yreka in the north is only about an hour more than the driving time from Vienna to Paris. Heck, going east to west is at least as far a Vienna to Munich.
Big state.
Large variations.

[Monash]

I find it hard to believe but ok.

Try fighting a forest fire in hilly/mountainous country after weeks of hot, dry weather in 80km windstorms so bad your air tankers can't fly.

[Versus]

Try fighting a forest fire in hilly/mountainous country after weeks of hot, dry weather in 80km windstorms so bad your air tankers can't fly.

Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.

[DOR]

Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.

DONE DEAL !
Please send a check (in US dollars) covering the entire cost to the Governor's office, Sacramento, California, "attention Department of Fantasy Financing."

[Officer of Engineers]

Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.

The results would be worst forest fires of the 1990s and 2000s. In the 1970s/80s, there was every attempt at fighting forest fires no matter how big/small/where/when. The result was the extreme growth of the underbrush and increase dead trees due to overgrowth and small trees could not compete with big trees for sunlight. This is just pure fuel for fires during the 1990s/2000s fires. Fire clears the underbrush and clear the forests for new growth.

The point is fire is a natural forest clearing even and has its purpose for continued, healthy forest growth.

The policy is now to simply let the forest burn unless it directly threatens human habitation but it's a fine balance and at times, we don't get it right and at times, it's out of our control such as the overabundance of forest fire fuels in 90s/2000s ... and now where the right wind and the right dry spell just points the way to the ocean through Los Angeles.

[Versus]

DONE DEAL !
Please send a check (in US dollars) covering the entire cost to the Governor's office, Sacramento, California, "attention Department of Fantasy Financing."

Well, I see where this is heading but...for the sake of argument.

One "cold bomb" or lets call them Cryo bombs, charge is 53,669.01 US dollars for a ton of dry ice pellets. Add the JDAM kit to it it adds between 26.000 to 36.000 US dollars. Triggering, dispersion mechanism based on compressed co2 is 3000 US dollars we get around 100.000 us dollar per one 1 ton Cryo Bomb, 20 of those would add up to 2 million. One flight hour for B52 is around 70.000 US dollars. Which in total comes about 2.3 Million per run.

At this time, the price tag form the fires is 100 billion and rising, that is not counting the loss of life, business and overall damage to the US image in the world.

But yeah, I know, never going to happen. At least the water cannons might work, those million dollar houses have pools, they can at least stick a hose in it and provide some protection on the line.

[tbm3fan]

I finally understand why I was so annoyed by California. That state is absolute representation of entropy and Zero Fucks given life philosophy and attitude towards life. It boggled my mind, I couldn't understand it at all. All the tech, all the money, ocean at couple of miles from shore yet every single year they get absolutely trashed by forest fires. No efforts at early warnings, no efforts at rapid responses, no efforts at means and tactics of tackling the issue, no care of how the image of the US will be ruined by this, nothing, zero, nada, zilch,0. Just endless filibustering of meaningless politics and content creation. They can build an stealth bomber, they can build space stuff, yet they constantly fail to build an decent air fire fighting plane yet they glorify conversions as some sort of high tech wonders.
And we here imported that philosophy whole sale and the efforts show. As of yesterday, our Oil Industry is under Western sanctions and we have 60 days to sort that mess or we wont make it till next winter. Of course,we all know the result.

Someone doesn't understand California at all. Mix no rain, super dry brush all over, hills and valleys, Santa Ana/Diablo winds with gusts up to 100 mph, an ignition source and it is off to the races. Best you can do is get out of the way and not build in hills and valleys where wind rushes through.

As for tech,money,data, services,agencies, Mother Nature will win everytime in those conditions. I've been through one and you haven't.

[tbm3fan]

Well, you could, although I really hate this would and should narrative, after this ends make the following steps.
1. Make a protocol regarding the weather. Two weeks of hot, dry weather, start preemptive runs.
2. Permanent watch, 24/7 with manned unmanned aircraft. Fire-watch squadron.
3. Have a fleet of fire fighting aircraft on permanent standby, able to scramble at the moment notice.
4. Create pipe network across mountains that when needed can draw water from the ocean and be used in fire fighting.
5. Each house and family should have water cannons and residents should learn how to operate them.
6. This one is a wild card but, what if you could use B-52 but with "cold bombs", aka dry ice charge that airbursts over the fire. Dry ice would have dual action, by lowering the temperature and deploying co2 as a fire retardant, Like carpet bombing the hills, for most extreme situations.

The start of the fire was spotted and reported in under 15 minutes and it didn't matter as the winds started to carry embers far and wide while forcing aircraft to stay on the ground. Otherwise some of your ideas are ...?

[Versus]

The start of the fire was spotted and reported in under 15 minutes and it didn't matter as the winds started to carry embers far and wide while forcing aircraft to stay on the ground. Otherwise some of your ideas are ...?

Aqueduct network, with water pumps powered by the wind turbines when the winds are strong might work. Prior to that, as a prevention, some community work by the prison population in exchange for reduced sentences, for clearing the undergrowth. But look, I am not trying to be a smart ass or a troll, although its too late for that, I am just trying to find solution for the problem and believe it or not, we also have these problems.
It is sad to see all that devastation.

[DOR]

Aqueduct network, with water pumps powered by the wind turbines when the winds are strong might work. Prior to that, as a prevention, some community work by the prison population in exchange for reduced sentences, for clearing the undergrowth. But look, I am not trying to be a smart ass or a troll, although its too late for that, I am just trying to find solution for the problem and believe it or not, we also have these problems.
It is sad to see all that devastation.

Strange as it may seem, you're not the first person to think about possible solutions. Prisoner fire work teams, for example, are a long and storied history here.

The California Aqueduct was built 60 years ago, and the Colorado River Aqueduct some 30 years before that. But, Mother Nature doesn't always keep the rains and snows flowing in quantities -- and over lengths of time -- to provide sufficient water. L.A. is a desert, and 10 million people need a lot of water.

Wind mills ... anyone know how well they work under extreme conditions? Off the top of my head, I'd say they have limits, but I like where you're going with that.