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  • Originally posted by gunnut View Post
    Vox....
    ...for the easily distracted.

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    • I'm more interested in your take of what's actually -there- rather than an empty one-liner. it's not really all that hard to return partisan insults to the Daily Caller, either.
      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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      • That's just too scary to think about.

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        • Originally posted by astralis View Post
          I'm more interested in your take of what's actually -there- rather than an empty one-liner. it's not really all that hard to return partisan insults to the Daily Caller, either.
          Yeah I could tell you were interested when I read the piece about Exxon conspiracy theories and finding boogeymen to blame instead. Really, quite thought provoking stuff there.

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          • I frequent a Space Weather and Global Warming forum that has a fella who posts often about astrometeorology. Quite an eye opener and since farmers who rely on him to help make their living corroborate his forecasts, that speaks volumes to me. Just wondering if anybody here is familiar with this site and topic:

            http://solarcycle24com.proboards.com...trometeorology

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            • I was previously unaware of that the science of astrometeorology even existed. Fascinating stuff! I'll need to go back and study that post by Theodore White a lot more before I can claim to understand it.

              Does "we are nearing the end of our current, and waning interglacial era" mean we are moving back into a period of glaciation?

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              • Originally posted by Sanjac View Post
                I was previously unaware of that the science of astrometeorology even existed. Fascinating stuff! I'll need to go back and study that post by Theodore White a lot more before I can claim to understand it.

                Does "we are nearing the end of our current, and waning interglacial era" mean we are moving back into a period of glaciation?
                Yes going by recent geologic patterns. Could be anywhere from 1 to 10 thousand years away yet though, although evidence from the last one suggests rapid onset
                In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                Leibniz

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                • I will be the one laughing uproariously as advancing glaciers crush the warming fabulists, see them driven before them, and hear the lamentations of their men.

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                  • Originally posted by dalem View Post
                    I will be the one laughing uproariously as advancing glaciers crush the warming fabulists, see them driven before them, and hear the lamentations of their men.
                    This too will be the fault of warming. Though yes, I'll be running over their frozen bodies on my skis.
                    In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                    Leibniz

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                    • ... dashes off to see if Amazon is running any Black Friday deals on parkas and mukluks...

                      Anybody got a good recipe for barbecued mammoth?

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                      • Originally posted by Sanjac View Post
                        ... dashes off to see if Amazon is running any Black Friday deals on parkas and mukluks...

                        Anybody got a good recipe for barbecued mammoth?
                        No problem.

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                        • LOL Thanks! I needed that! Cheered me up as I was sulking because I've now seen the last video ever to be published about the Hobbit movies. :)

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                          • http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...r-a-long-time/

                            Climate Change Will Not Be Dangerous for a Long Time

                            Slower warming than predicted gives the world time to develop better energy technologies

                            By Matt Ridley on November 27, 2015

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                            The climate change debate has been polarized into a simple dichotomy. Either global warming is “real, man-made and dangerous,” as Pres. Barack Obama thinks, or it’s a “hoax,” as Oklahoma Sen. James Inhofe thinks. But there is a third possibility: that it is real, man-made and not dangerous, at least not for a long time.

                            This “lukewarm” option has been boosted by recent climate research, and if it is right, current policies may do more harm than good. For example, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and other bodies agree that the rush to grow biofuels, justified as a decarbonization measure, has raised food prices and contributed to rainforest destruction. Since 2013 aid agencies such as the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the World Bank and the European Investment Bank have restricted funding for building fossil-fuel plants in Asia and Africa; that has slowed progress in bringing electricity to the one billion people who live without it and the four million who die each year from the effects of cooking over wood fires.

                            In 1990 the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was predicting that if emissions rose in a “business as usual” way, which they have done, then global average temperature would rise at the rate of about 0.3 degree Celsius per decade (with an uncertainty range of 0.2 to 0.5 degree C per decade). In the 25 years since, temperature has risen at about 0.1 to 0.2 degree C per decade, depending on whether surface or satellite data is used. The IPCC, in its most recent assessment report, lowered its near-term forecast for the global mean surface temperature over the period 2016 to 2035 to just 0.3 to 0.7 degree C above the 1986–2005 level. That is a warming of 0.1 to 0.2 degree C per decade, in all scenarios, including the high-emissions ones.

                            At the same time, new studies of climate sensitivity—the amount of warming expected for a doubling of carbon dioxide levels from 0.03 to 0.06 percent in the atmosphere—have suggested that most models are too sensitive. The average sensitivity of the 108 model runs considered by the IPCC is 3.2 degrees C. As Pat Michaels, a climatologist and self-described global warming skeptic at the Cato Institute testified to Congress in July, certain studies of sensitivity published since 2011 find an average sensitivity of 2 degrees C.

                            Such lower sensitivity does not contradict greenhouse-effect physics. The theory of dangerous climate change is based not just on carbon dioxide warming but on positive and negative feedback effects from water vapor and phenomena such as clouds and airborne aerosols from coal burning. Doubling carbon dioxide levels, alone, should produce just over 1 degree C of warming. These feedback effects have been poorly estimated, and almost certainly overestimated, in the models.

                            The last IPCC report also included a table debunking many worries about “tipping points” to abrupt climate change. For example, it says a sudden methane release from the ocean, or a slowdown of the Gulf Stream, are “very unlikely” and that a collapse of the West Antarctic or Greenland ice sheets during this century is “exceptionally unlikely.”

                            If sensitivity is low and climate change continues at the same rate as it has over the past 50 years, then dangerous warming—usually defined as starting at 2 degrees C above preindustrial levels—is about a century away. So we do not need to rush into subsidizing inefficient and land-hungry technologies, such as wind and solar or risk depriving poor people access to the beneficial effects of cheap electricity via fossil fuels.

                            As the upcoming Paris climate conference shows, the world is awash with plans, promises and policies to tackle climate change. But they are having little effect. Ten years ago the world derived 87 percent of its primary energy from fossil fuels; today, according the widely respected BP statistical review of world energy, the figure is still 87 percent. The decline in nuclear power has been matched by the rise in renewables but the proportion coming from wind and solar is still only 1 percent.

                            Getting the price of low-carbon energy much lower will do the trick. So we should spend the coming decades stepping up research and development of new energy technologies. Many people may reply that we don’t have time to wait for that to bear fruit, but given the latest lukewarm science of climate change, I think we probably do.
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                            Matt Ridley writes a weekly column in The Times of London and writes regularly for The Wall Street Journal. He was elected to the House of Lords in February 2013. He declares a relevant interest in income derived from leasing land for farming, coal mining and wind power.

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                            • Now it's sounding like the IPCC is trying to find a way to admit that no scientific data exist to support their claims while still keeping their high-paying jobs.

                              At least someone mentioned water vapor in this one. Water vapor is a far, far more effective "greenhouse gas" than carbon dioxide, and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is noise level by comparison. There at least they would have a point that it's man-made, since a significant portion of the water vapor entering the atmosphere is due to human respiration.

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                              • Originally posted by Sanjac View Post
                                Now it's sounding like the IPCC is trying to find a way to admit that no scientific data exist to support their claims while still keeping their high-paying jobs.

                                At least someone mentioned water vapor in this one. Water vapor is a far, far more effective "greenhouse gas" than carbon dioxide, and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is noise level by comparison. There at least they would have a point that it's man-made, since a significant portion of the water vapor entering the atmosphere is due to human respiration.
                                What? Wasn't there a consensus that October of 2015 was the warmest month in human history? Didn't the "scientists" agree that there was no "pause in warming" trend?

                                In fact, Prince Charles just said the other day that climate change created IS and the refugee flow.

                                Funny how climate change is global yet there's only a massive refugee problem from a specific part of this globe.
                                "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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