Global Warming...Fact or Fiction?

[Parihaka]

I believe the scientists and their explanations. Not being one myself I don't have any particular proof of my own, however.

Not being an intel specialist, nevertheless, most of the worlds intelligence agencies believed "that wild story about there being thousands upon thousands of WMD's in Irak."

Welcome by the way :-)

[FORMBY]

Not being an intel specialist, nevertheless, most of the worlds intelligence agencies believed "that wild story about there being thousands upon thousands of WMD's in Irak."

There you are. Disinformation? I don’t want to argue whether or not “most of the worlds intelligence agencies” believed in the WMD hoax (though I doubt it very much) but those intelligence agencies relied upon the American CIA. All they did - as far as I can tell - is consider the CIA's fabricated 'proof' as their only evidence. As you say, “not being specialists” in chemistry, intelligence agencies are suppose to rely upon those who are. The UN inspection team (led by Hans Blix) did keep the various intelligence agencies well informed of their progress: “No WMD’s!” Those intelligence agencies that took a step back were those who heard that cry, those that had political agendas or favours outstanding, ignored it. This is proven by what happened as the 11th. site (on the list of 12 sites) was given the all clear.

So here we are again. With regards Global Warming, ought we believe the intel services with political agendas, or international, meteorological experts? My choice is made.

Welcome by the way :-)

Thank you! :-)

[Parihaka]

With regards Global Warming, ought we believe the intel services with political agendas, or international, meteorological experts? My choice is made.

Well which ones do you believe?
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...S-D-13-00091.1

[FORMBY]

Well which ones do you believe?
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...S-D-13-00091.1

The first inspection team of 'experts' to Irak (with which Saddam refused to cooperate) was removed when the UN confirmed that indeed it was saturated by CIA spies, just as Saddam had said. We have also witnessed 'expert' lawyers, doctors, etc. (employed by large corporations) falsify their reports over commodities such as tobacco and sugar.

So, I am more inclined to believe the side that has no obvious, political gain to make. I am less inclined to believe those whose business investments will be adversely affected by the results of a climate change clean-up. In the case where ignorance deprives me of any insight regarding political connections and business chicanery, I am more likely to disbelieve the side that has lied in the past on other issues.

[Parihaka]

The first inspection team of 'experts' to Irak (with which Saddam refused to cooperate) was removed when the UN confirmed that indeed it was saturated by CIA spies, just as Saddam had said. We have also witnessed 'expert' lawyers, doctors, etc. (employed by large corporations) falsify their reports over commodities such as tobacco and sugar.

So, I am more inclined to believe the side that has no obvious, political gain to make. I am less inclined to believe those whose business investments will be adversely affected by the results of a climate change clean-up. In the case where ignorance deprives me of any insight regarding political connections and business chicanery, I am more likely to disbelieve the side that has lied in the past on other issues.

My question was, which meteorologists do you believe. The ones who believe global warming is primarily anthropogenic in origin or those who don't?

[FORMBY]

My question was, which meteorologists do you believe. The ones who believe global warming is primarily anthropogenic in origin or those who don't?

I've been to several highly polluted cities. How could I not believe that the human contribution has a negative effect? My answer is 'YES I believe.'

[Doktor]

The first inspection team of 'experts' to Irak (with which Saddam refused to cooperate) was removed when the UN confirmed that indeed it was saturated by CIA spies, just as Saddam had said. We have also witnessed 'expert' lawyers, doctors, etc. (employed by large corporations) falsify their reports over commodities such as tobacco and sugar.

So, I am more inclined to believe the side that has no obvious, political gain to make. I am less inclined to believe those whose business investments will be adversely affected by the results of a climate change clean-up. In the case where ignorance deprives me of any insight regarding political connections and business chicanery, I am more likely to disbelieve the side that has lied in the past on other issues.

Do you have any idea how big the clean-energy sector is?

[FORMBY]

Do you have any idea how big the clean-energy sector is?

Not the slightest clue. You'll be telling me now, I hope.

[Doktor]

Not the slightest clue. You'll be telling me now, I hope.

Nah, google it.

[FORMBY]

Nah, google it.

I was under the impression it's you who wanted to know. I was only trying to be congenial, being new here and all that.

[Doktor]

I was under the impression it's you who wanted to know. I was only trying to be congenial, being new here and all that.

No, it was a question to see if you follow the money, do you follow all the leads. Oil companies sure have interest, but so does Musk, Al Gore or Bill Gates, for example. At the moment PHEW cars is a sector with highest growth rate, even in China. Solar collectors, wind turbines, technologies that make

, you name it, we have it. Billions if not trillions of dollars are in the game. The thing is, when you start asking about how wind turbines effect this, how solar panels are made, how much coal/oil is spent to make/transport this or that "new gig", you start to feel like Giordano Bruno in front of the Inquisition.

[FORMBY]

No, it was a question to see if you follow the money, do you follow all the leads. Oil companies sure have interest, but so does Musk, Al Gore or Bill Gates, for example. At the moment PHEW cars is a sector with highest growth rate, even in China. Solar collectors, wind turbines, technologies that make

, you name it, we have it. Billions if not trillions of dollars are in the game. The thing is, when you start asking about how wind turbines effect this, how solar panels are made, how much coal/oil is spent to make/transport this or that "new gig", you start to feel like Giordano Bruno in front of the Inquisition.

Yes, I see what you mean. It's very interesting. With all of this green technology a-foot you have to ask yourself why the oil grab and fracking. Should we assume that the green age will put an end to dirty energy so crooks are at it full tilt to make as much money as possible in oil & coal before it's too late?

[Parihaka]

I've been to several highly polluted cities. How could I not believe that the human contribution has a negative effect? My answer is 'YES I believe.'

Polluted cities create global warming? What sort of pollution?

[Doktor]

Yes, I see what you mean. It's very interesting. With all of this green technology a-foot you have to ask yourself why the oil grab and fracking. Should we assume that the green age will put an end to dirty energy so crooks are at it full tilt to make as much money as possible in oil & coal before it's too late?

You think old dogs can't learn new tricks? They will all rebrand as pionnleers of green and will continue to grab money. Untill some eco initiative figures out there are greener ways...

WRT to the figure I've put in the previous comment, CNN estimates 330bn per anum in the coming years that's if USA wants to catch up and lead.

[Wooglin]

Polluted cities create global warming? What sort of pollution?

Judging from that comment along with this one...

And if carbon dioxide really is not a pollutant then there have been a whole lot of fake suicides ..... and just as many premature burials

It would seem we have yet another who lacks even the most fundamental understanding of the issue, but no doubt will tell everyone else how wrong they are because all scientists agree.... on something. In this case it's apparently that carbon monoxide pollution causes global warming.