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  • ‘Dead bodies at Wuhan lab’: Donald Trump’s explosive revelation | The Australian | Sept 20 2021

    Article refers to excerpts from Sharri's documentary which is on pay per view. She's of the opinion something happened at WIV.

    The database went offline Sept 12 2019. 22,000 viruses they were working on were in there. We never got a copy. What's interesting is what happened at WIV after.

    WIV went into a communications blackout for the next two weeks. No cell phone activity detectable at the lab.

    The Australian can also reveal that the Wuhan Institute of ­Virology purchased a coronavirus testing PCR machine on November 6, 2019 in a spending spree that also involved beefing up its security, replacing its air-ventilation system and buying a new air medical waste incinerator. The spending spree kicked off on September 12, 2019 – the very same day that the ­institute deleted its virus database containing the genetic sequences of 22,000 coronaviruses.

    The PCR purchase is contained in tender documents that were virtually expunged from the internet and recovered by cyber security firm Internet 2.0 and China analyst Luke McWilliams during an investigation for the book What Really Happened in Wuhan, the basis for the documentary.

    Also on September 12, the day the institute pulled its virus database offline, it put out a tender for security services worth about $US 128,000.

    On October 18, the Wuhan Institute of Virology put out a tender for a security-monitoring system. Ultimately, it spent more than half a million dollars on new security.

    John Ratcliffe, who oversaw 18 agencies in his role as US director of national intelligence from 2020-21, described the PCR purchase as “highly significant” and said it was “another compelling piece of evidence” indicating the virus leaked from the institute.
    Now why would they do that if as it was stated they took the database offline because of hacking attempts.

    Trying to be extra safe or there was a problem the CCP was trying to deal with.

    This is in September. Months before any pandemic.



    Trump says he was told Body bags outside WIV (!) He was not able to verify this information.

    Not the full answer to the question whether he saw evidence of a lab leak but he went on to say

    “I think it was incompetence. I think it escaped from the lab through incompetence. And they also had some safety problems, as you know, at that lab.”

    Mr Trump said this scientist was patient “zero or patient something else, but that’s one theory”.

    He said it was his strong opinion that Covid-19 originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    “Some of the intelligence is classified and I can’t talk about it but it most likely, and when I say most likely – like 95 per cent – came from the Wuhan lab,” he said. “I don’t know if they had bad thoughts or whether it was gross incompetence, but one way or the other it came out of Wuhan – it came from the Wuhan lab.”

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    • A whistleblower leaks a project proposal

      Wuhan scientists wanted to release coronaviruses into bats | NYPost | Sept 22 2021

      Chinese scientists wanted to genetically engineer coronaviruses that were more infectious to humans and then conduct experiments on live bats about 18 months before the first COVID-19 cases emerged — but a US Department of Defence agency rejected the funding proposal, leaked documents reveal.

      Scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were planning to genetically enhance airborne coronaviruses and release aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” among cave bats in Yunnan, China, according to the 2018 proposal submitted to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

      They also planned to alter coronaviruses to infect humans more easily by introducing “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses.

      The purpose of the research was to assess the risk of coronaviruses, work on ways to prevent outbreaks and even vaccinate bats against the virus, according to the proposal.
      DARPA was asked for funding ? see, until now it was just NIH

      Details of the leaked proposal were released Tuesday by Drastic Research, a group of international scientists investigating the origins of the pandemic.

      Drastic said it was provided the papers by a whistleblower, and a former member of the Trump administration confirmed the proposal’s authenticity to the Telegraph.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 25 Sep 21,, 14:56.

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      • Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal | Telegraph UK | Sept 21 2021

        Documents reveal researchers applied for $14m to fund controversial project in 2018

        BySarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR

        21 September 2021 • 5:48pm

        Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

        New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

        They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

        Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

        When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.

        The documents were released by Drastic, the web-based investigations team set up by scientists from across the world to look into the origins of Covid-19.

        In a statement, Drastic said: “Given that we find in this proposal a discussion of the planned introduction of human-specific cleavage sites, a review by the wider scientific community of the plausibility of artificial insertion is warranted.”

        The proposal also included plans to mix high-risk natural coronavirus strains with more infectious but less dangerous varieties.

        The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses.

        Team members included Dr Shi Zhengli, the WIV researcher dubbed “bat woman”, pictured below, as well as US researchers from the University of North Carolina and the United States Geological Survey National Wildlife Health Centre.

        Darpa refused to fund the work, saying: “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk”, and warned that the team had not properly considered the dangers of enhancing the virus (gain of function research) or releasing a vaccine by air.
        So there were adults in the room after all

        Grant documents show that the team also had some concerns about the vaccine programme and said they would “conduct educational outreach … so that there is a public understanding of what we are doing and why we are doing it, particularly because of the practice of bat-consumption in the region”.

        Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St Georges, University of London, who struggled to get work published showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out “gain of function” work for years before the pandemic, said the research may have gone ahead even without the funding.

        “This is clearly a gain of function, engineering the cleavage site and polishing the new viruses to enhance human cell infectibility in more than one cell line,” he said.

        Daszak was also behind a letter published in The Lancet last year which effectively shut down scientific debate into the origins of Covid-19.

        Viscount Ridley, who has co-authored a book on the origin of Covid-19, due for release in November, and who has frequently called for a further investigation into what caused the pandemic in the House of Lords, said: “For more than a year I tried repeatedly to ask questions of Peter Daszak with no response.

        “Now it turns out he had authored this vital piece of information about virus work in Wuhan but refused to share it with the world. I am furious. So should the world be.

        “Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance (EHA) proposed injecting deadly chimeric bat coronaviruses collected by the Wuhan Institute of Virology into humanised and ‘batified’ mice, and much, much more.”

        A Covid-19 researcher from the World Health Organisation (WHO), who wished to remain anonymous, said it was alarming that the grant proposal included plans to enhance the more deadly disease of Middle-East Respiratory Syndrome (Mers).

        “The scary part is they were making infectious chimeric Mers viruses,” the source said.

        “These viruses have a fatality rate over 30 per cent, which is at least an order of magnitude more deadly than Sars-CoV-2.

        “If one of their receptor replacements made Mers spread similarly, while maintaining its lethality, this pandemic would be nearly apocalyptic.”

        EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology have been aproached for comment.
        A professor in the UK struggled to publish what we suspect as more likely than not ? so if it isn't putting your career at risk then there are further obstacles in place.

        I want to hear from Angus Dalgleish and Viscount Ridley

        They don't mention which former Trump official but if i have to take a guess it was David Asher

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        • I cant quite believe to be honest. Its like a spoof.
          Originally posted by tantalus View Post
          The reality is by serial poassaging scientists can alter viral sequences that realsitically are not detectable. The earlier spring papers by western scientists that shaped the media narrative fail to point this obvious reality and sar cov 2 has features that are known in the scientific community to help make them spread in humans. They could have occured naturally through recombination but since sar cov 2 disccovered tricks we are aware of and not some new novel approach it equally means it could be lab.


          Controversially, right in the middle of the spike gene of SARS-CoV-2 lurks a surprise. Unlike other SARS-like coronaviruses so far described, including RaTG13 and the pangolin viruses, SARS-CoV-2 has an extra 12 digits inserted, creating a “furin cleavage site”. This is a feature found in other pathogenic coronaviruses such as Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), and is known to make viruses more capable of infecting different tissues in the body. Yet, this remarkable insertion was not mentioned in either of the WIV’s first covid-19 papers despite a close analysis of the spike gene. It will be near impossible to definitively determine whether this furin cleavage site arose naturally or artificially. However, its omission from key WIV covid-19 papers is curious.

          The practices of building chimera coronaviruses (made from parts of multiple viruses), sometimes leaving no trace of manipulation, or inserting a furin cleavage site into the spike protein of SARS virus, are not new. These experiments have been conducted in select laboratories such as at the WIV for the purpose of understanding how novel SARS viruses could spill over into humans. The ultimate goal is to create a universal vaccine for all SARS-like viruses.

          The scientists might find it unbearable if they instead caused a pandemic. But they did not find it unthinkable. In a 2015 article co-authored by Dr Shi and Dr Ralph Baric of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (the heads of two leading SARS coronavirus research groups) these words appear: “scientific review panels may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue… the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens.
          https://www.rationaloptimist.com/blo...pe-from-a-lab/
          So Shi (the bat lady), and the eco alliance asked for funding to insert a mers furin cleavage site into a sars coronavirus using humanised mice in 2018, they are all there in the one funding request to DARPA. You couldnt write it.
          Last edited by tantalus; 29 Sep 21,, 18:19.

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          • Drastic have really outdone themselves this time

            https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4298023

            The only question you should be asking yourself now is how in the fuck was this not disclosed publicly by someone in early 2020. Dasnak has acknowledged the proposal is real.
            Last edited by tantalus; 29 Sep 21,, 18:17.

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            • It's now time for western media to re-question every scientist off that original lancet letter and every scientist who dismissed this. Its time for journalists to do their jobs and follow up.
              Last edited by tantalus; 29 Sep 21,, 18:30.

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              • Originally posted by tantalus View Post
                It's now time for western media to re-question every scientist off that original lancet letter and and every scientist who dismissed this. Its time for journalists to do their jobs and follow up.
                I'll put this one to rest.

                1) The project never got off the ground
                2) We still have not been able to spread SARS-COV-2 onto humanized mice. We can infect individual mice and there is some spread but the virus dies out real fast and does not spread amongst the observed mice population and we're not talking the Wuhan lab here but every lab working around the world.
                Chimo

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                • Originally posted by tantalus View Post
                  It's now time for western media to re-question every scientist off that original lancet letter and every scientist who dismissed this.
                  Hear hear

                  Originally posted by tantalus View Post
                  Its time for journalists to do their jobs and follow up.
                  Here's Sharri



                  Happy Sky Australia released it. Thought this would be subscribers only.

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                  • Where Are the Wuhan Subpoenas? | WSJ Editorial | Oct 27 2021

                    U.S. funding for risky Chinese virus research deserves investigation.

                    By
                    The Editorial Board
                    Oct. 27, 2021 6:37 pm ET

                    Chinese stonewalling means it’s unlikely the world will ever know Covid-19’s exact origins. Yet many avenues of investigation remain unexplored that could yield lessons for the future.

                    Until this year much of the political and scientific establishment wrote off the idea that Covid-19 began circulating in China after an accidental lab leak. This groupthink was inexcusable, given that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) for years had studied and modified bat coronaviruses.

                    Hundreds of pages of documents have shown how the U.S. nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance received funding from the National Institutes of Health to work with the WIV. A grant in 2014 gave the Chinese institution some $600,000 for “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.” New developments have strengthened the already solid case for a Congressional investigation.

                    Last week House Oversight Committee Republicans released an NIH letter they said confirmed “EcoHealth and the WIV conducted GOF research on bat coronaviruses.” (GOF means gain-of-function research, which can make viruses more deadly or infectious.) The following day the Intercept, a left-leaning digital publication, wrote that annual grant reports showed that EcoHealth and WIV “were engaged in risky experiments and that the NIH may not have been fully aware of these activities.”

                    Anthony Fauci and NIH Director Francis Collins have insisted that their organizations didn’t fund gain-of-function research, which was banned in the U.S. from 2014-2017. Dr. Fauci has spoken to Congress this year and remains firm, likely betting that his de facto affiliation with Democrats shields him from real scrutiny. But Americans deserve to know whether taxpayer dollars funded risky research that could have started a pandemic.

                    The intelligence community’s 90-day Covid-19 origins review was a muddle. The Chinese Communist Party has done everything it can to thwart a real investigation. The World Health Organization’s efforts have been undermined by conflicts of interest. EcoHealth Alliance chief Peter Daszak was appointed to the expert group that visited China this year, and several proposed members for the new Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens have conflicts as well.


                    EcoHealth Alliance must be held accountable for lying to the federal government about what exactly they were using American taxpayer money for,” Rep. Michael McCaul said this week, reiterating his call for Mr. Daszak to be subpoenaed. Mr. Daszak has publicly dismissed the lab-leak theory while organizing scientists behind the scenes to rally against it. He and key subordinates should share all documents related to the WIV and speak under oath about their work.

                    This should be followed by a comprehensive investigation into the federal process that led to Mr. Daszak’s outfit and the WIV being rewarded taxpayer dollars. So far Democrats don’t seem interested, perhaps because the populist right has made this a cause. It’s scandalous that Congress isn’t using its power to do more, and Republicans should make this a campaign issue.

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                    • The Covid lab leak theory just got even stronger | Spectator UK | Nov 21 2021

                      They found a bat virus in Laos that matches slightly closer than the RATG13 from Yunan.

                      Only problem is it lacks these furin cleavage sites.

                      To date they can't find any SARS viruses in the wild that have that feature.
                      Last edited by Double Edge; 22 Nov 21,, 03:17.

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                      • DNI has an updated report (pdf)

                        After examining all available intelligence reporting and other information, though, the IC remains divided on the most likely origin of COVID-19. All agencies assess that two hypotheses are plausible: natural exposure to an infected animal and a laboratory-associated incident.

                        IC analysts assess that a natural origin and a laboratory associated incident are both plausible hypotheses for how SARS-CoV-2 first infected humans
                        Good, so they still find lab leak is plausible.

                        I don't find much new info in this 'updated' doc from the DNI

                        They still list RATG13 as most closely related when that Laos one recently found is closer still.

                        Appendix B says they disagree with Dr. Yan's contention that it is a weapon ie. intentional release and go on to say 'some' who reviewed her work deemed it 'scientifically unsound'. But her position on man made is still good.

                        They don't agree with the withdrawn paper from Delhi University.

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                        • Did you even read the report? Do you know what it says?

                          Here, let me point it out to you

                          WIV Research Includes Work With Animals That Carry Relatives of SARS-CoV-2

                          The analysts that find the laboratory-associated origin theory most likely assess that WIV researchers’ inherently risky work with coronaviruses provided numerous opportunities for them to unwittingly become infected with SARS-CoV-2. Although the IC has no indications that WIV research involved SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor virus, these analysts note that it is plausible that researchers may have unwittingly exposed themselves to the virus without sequencing it during experiments or sampling activities, possibly resulting in asymptomatic or mild infection. Academic literature indicates that WIV researchers conducted research with bat coronaviruses or collected samples from species that are known to carry close relatives of SARS-CoV-2
                          Can you understand what the above paragraph is saying? That somehow that WIV got a hold of a naturally occurring SARS-COV-2 and unwittingly spread it. In short, it is STILL NOT FREAKING MAN-MADE!

                          Here's another strike from the lab leak theory. Every single speices that ever went into WIV has been tested, including animals from the specific regions that the lab collected from. Zippo, nadda, zilch, booboo, empty handed, no jackpot, goose egg, not even a pair of deuses of an intermediate speices.
                          Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 22 Nov 21,, 09:12.
                          Chimo

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                          • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                            Did you even read the report?
                            Yes, its not very long. Somebody should tell these folks to cease using double negatives in their sentences. Just check these out

                            Most IC analysts assess with low confidence that SARSCoV-2 was not genetically engineered
                            How do you read that ? double negative equals positive

                            To me it reads....Most IC analysts assess with higher confidence that SARSCoV-2 was genetically engineered than not.

                            IC analysts do not have higher confidence that SARSCoV-2 was not genetically engineered
                            Meaning it was GM

                            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                            Do you know what it says?

                            Here, let me point it out to you

                            Can you understand what the above paragraph is saying? That somehow that WIV got a hold of a naturally occurring SARS-COV-2 and unwittingly spread it. In short, it is STILL NOT FREAKING MAN-MADE!
                            See this bit

                            IC analysts do not have higher confidence that SARSCoV-2 was not genetically engineered because some genetic engineering techniques can make modifications difficult to identify and we have gaps in our knowledge of naturally occurring coronaviruses.

                             Some genetic engineering techniques may make genetically modified viruses indistinguishable from natural viruses, according to academic journal articles. For instance, a 2017 dissertation by a WIV student showed that reverse genetic cloning techniques—which are standard techniques used in advanced molecular laboratories—left no trace of genetic modification of SARS-like coronaviruses.

                             It will be difficult to increase our confidence that the distinguishing features in SARS-CoV-2 emerged naturally without a better understanding of the diversity of coronaviruses in nature and how often recombination occurs during co-infection of multiple coronaviruses within a particular host. For example, academic literature has indicated that a FCS had previously been inserted into SARS-CoV-1, the causative agent of SARS, complicating differentiation of how such a feature may have appeared.
                            They acknowledge that GM may not be detectable. You still cannot rule out man made because the existing knowledge on the subject is as yet incomplete

                            IC gives equal weighting to both natural and man made but i would say the preponderance of evidence and the CCP's behaviour thus far makes it more than even it was man made. Because if it was the other way CCP would have spared no efforts to exonerate themselves.

                            The IC assesses that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, probably emerged and infected humans through an initial small-scale exposure that occurred no later than November 2019 with the first known cluster of COVID-19 cases arising in Wuhan, China in December 2019
                            There is no way this thing becomes so infectious and spreads like wildfire without leaving traces. So far there is no evidence of outbreaks prior to that date.

                            What more do you want ? NO NATURALLY OCURRING VIRUS can pull off this act.

                            This was the clincher made by that retired biology prof on Bill Maher's show that i linked few months back.

                            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                            Here's another strike from the lab leak theory. Every single speices that ever went into WIV has been tested, including animals from the specific regions that the lab collected from. Zippo, nadda, zilch, booboo, empty handed, no jackpot, goose egg, not even a pair of deuses of an intermediate speices.
                            Doesn't this make it clearer still it was not natural ? because they could not find an intermediate host.

                            It just emerged like that and even after checking over 80k species they still could not detect it in the wild.

                            For so many intel agencies i don't see their contribution here as adding much to what we know already.

                            The only takeaway from this IC effort is lab leak possibility is NOW on the table and its official.
                            Last edited by Double Edge; 22 Nov 21,, 15:23.

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                            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              Yes, its not very long. Somebody should tell these folks to cease using double negatives in their sentences. Just check these out


                              How do you read that ? double negative equals positive

                              To me it reads....Most IC analysts assess with higher confidence that SARSCoV-2 was genetically engineered than not.


                              Meaning it was GM
                              Of course it was genetic engineered. Mother Nature did it.

                              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              They acknowledge that GM may not be detectable. You still cannot rule out man made because the existing knowledge on the subject is as yet incomplete

                              IC gives equal weighting to both natural and man made but i would say the preponderance of evidence and the CCP's behaviour thus far makes it more than even it was man made. Because if it was the other way CCP would have spared no efforts to exonerate themselves.
                              *** sigh *** Every bio weapons expert I've read STATED this is beyond current expertise. The gap is just too wide. Have you seen a chickensaurus yet? In theory we could do it? Have we? And we've been freaking trying.

                              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              There is no way this thing becomes so infectious and spreads like wildfire without leaving traces. So far there is no evidence of outbreaks prior to that date.

                              What more do you want ? NO NATURALLY OCURRING VIRUS can pull off this act.

                              This was the clincher made by that retired biology prof on Bill Maher's show that i linked few months back.



                              Doesn't this make it clearer still it was not natural ? because they could not find an intermediate host.

                              It just emerged like that and even after checking over 80k species they still could not detect it in the wild.

                              For so many intel agencies i don't see their contribution here as adding much to what we know already.

                              The only takeaway from this IC effort is lab leak possibility is NOW on the table and its official.
                              Ok, I have a theory that will explain it all. The Martians did it.
                              Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 22 Nov 21,, 20:33.
                              Chimo

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                              • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post

                                Ok, I have a theory that will explain it all. The Martians did it.
                                Gotcha


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